Say NO to the DESTRUCTION of healthcare….I’ll pay attention to these guys (Congress) when they go on Medicare…I promise you its the key to a solution…and the start for social security rerform is the same.
A) The Repubs are too buys in Hawaii right now to help anyone but themselves, as usual. b) the Hawaiian health care system is a fine example of forty years of the government providing great health care at a reasonable cost thanks to no illegal immigration to drain the system c0 On Daily Show last night, Repubs got so confused they could only rerun their claims of socialized medicines failure despite the fact EVERY major Western Democracy save us has some advanced form of the system and it’s working very well and the Hawaiian system works VERY WELL thank you. d) IT’S A TRAP to go in front of the American Public and actually have to come up with legitimate complaints that haven’t already had holes shot in them.
My feeling is the only dems mistake was to offer this ideologues who care only about their beliefs rather than the good of the country any compromise at all. They won’t face him simply because he”ll make them look as silly as they are and Fox won’t be able to edit it out.
“It is only bipartisanship when the GOP agrees to everything the Dems want otherwise it is just NO according to Dems/left wingers..”
Unless, of course, a bill has been “watered down” to include everything Republicans have demanded (which the Senate bill has) and they still vote “no” and claim that Obama and the Democrats “have shut them out” for a year. Stop watching just Fox News and do some independent thinking and investigation. Republicans have been getting what they want, which I’m tired of seeing. Heck, Republicans are holding up several important nominees to protect our national security in order to get pork for their state. Mmm-mmm, hypocrisy.
They walked hand in hand w/ Bush’s disastrous foreign policy.
Some bad judgment. Some fear of Republican claims of “soft on terror”, etc.
But at least in part from a desire to make government work.
It has long been my observation that a person inclined to be a Democrat has an abiding faith in the usefulness, perhaps even goodness of government (or at least in what it can do).
A Republican, not so much. Starve the beast, less government is better, and all that (except when government offers the ‘Pubs power they find useful to use, and quite frankly often abuse-see Nixon, Iran-Contra, War on Clintons, Clinton impeachment, Bush-Cheney, Obama fail, etc.)
Democrats may be disorganized and naive. But the modern Republican strikes me as brutally cynical.
So, Obama offers a chance to get on TV and talk about it, and the Republicans say it’s a trap? How is it a trap? Are their positions so difficult to explain? Are they so inarticulate that they fear looking stupid? What’s the trap? Look, if you know that going on TV and telling people what you think is gonna make you look stupid, that’s not a trap. That’s a sign that you know you’re stupid.
DID ANYONE SEE THE FILM “SICKO” I think it said it all. Anyone who has seen the film and has a complaint about it, I’d love to hear it.
There are countries in the world with functioning health care systems in place where everyone is happy: Doctors, patients, governments. Just not insurance companies. They are out of the equation.
“Wrong, dutch. The Swiss all have health insurance AND successful insurance companies!
But their model works too well. The Demoncrats would sooner die than adopt the Swiss model, because no one would be dependent on THEM”
Yet somehow, despite there are tens of countries with working universal healthcare AND private insurers (including the UK), introducing a watered-down public option in the US would cause all private insurers to fail, all medicine to become nationalized, and fire to rain from the sky.
Scotty, the current healthcare bill the Senate proposed is, if anything, less restrictive than the Swiss system. Swiss insurers are not allowed to make profit off basic insurance (only supplemental plans, and even there profit and services are restricted) face heavy regulation that imposes the same standards throughout the country, and private and public healthcare coexists.
In short, the Swiss system is a lot like the Senate bill, only more regulated and with more public healthcare provision (yes, there are publicly funded healthcar providers in Switzerland, such as university hospitals). I guess that model would work too well, eh?
Pacejv over 14 years ago
Noone is stopping you.
ANandy about 14 years ago
The GOP has noticed, along with most Americans, that nothing proposed is designed to improve health care.
Michael Peterson Premium Member about 14 years ago
ANandy has noticed, along with nobody else in the universe, that he has a pulse on the nation’s thinking.
agent.007 about 14 years ago
Lisa’s well-taken point is that the Dem’s professions of bipartisanship are always false, no matter what topic is at hand.
charliekane about 14 years ago
^Not the way most folks see it.
Patty O has the lock on thissin.
Magnaut about 14 years ago
Say NO to the DESTRUCTION of healthcare….I’ll pay attention to these guys (Congress) when they go on Medicare…I promise you its the key to a solution…and the start for social security rerform is the same.
Madman2001 about 14 years ago
Certainly the burgeoning deficits of Medicare and Social Security need to be addressed. I don’t care who does it, but will someone stand up??
freeholder1 about 14 years ago
A) The Repubs are too buys in Hawaii right now to help anyone but themselves, as usual. b) the Hawaiian health care system is a fine example of forty years of the government providing great health care at a reasonable cost thanks to no illegal immigration to drain the system c0 On Daily Show last night, Repubs got so confused they could only rerun their claims of socialized medicines failure despite the fact EVERY major Western Democracy save us has some advanced form of the system and it’s working very well and the Hawaiian system works VERY WELL thank you. d) IT’S A TRAP to go in front of the American Public and actually have to come up with legitimate complaints that haven’t already had holes shot in them.
freeholder1 about 14 years ago
My feeling is the only dems mistake was to offer this ideologues who care only about their beliefs rather than the good of the country any compromise at all. They won’t face him simply because he”ll make them look as silly as they are and Fox won’t be able to edit it out.
oneoldhat about 14 years ago
howgo you are 100% correct
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
“It is only bipartisanship when the GOP agrees to everything the Dems want otherwise it is just NO according to Dems/left wingers..”
Unless, of course, a bill has been “watered down” to include everything Republicans have demanded (which the Senate bill has) and they still vote “no” and claim that Obama and the Democrats “have shut them out” for a year. Stop watching just Fox News and do some independent thinking and investigation. Republicans have been getting what they want, which I’m tired of seeing. Heck, Republicans are holding up several important nominees to protect our national security in order to get pork for their state. Mmm-mmm, hypocrisy.charliekane about 14 years ago
Aw, c’mon!
The Dems personify bi-partisanship.
They walked hand in hand w/ Bush’s disastrous foreign policy.
Some bad judgment. Some fear of Republican claims of “soft on terror”, etc.
But at least in part from a desire to make government work.
It has long been my observation that a person inclined to be a Democrat has an abiding faith in the usefulness, perhaps even goodness of government (or at least in what it can do).
A Republican, not so much. Starve the beast, less government is better, and all that (except when government offers the ‘Pubs power they find useful to use, and quite frankly often abuse-see Nixon, Iran-Contra, War on Clintons, Clinton impeachment, Bush-Cheney, Obama fail, etc.)
Democrats may be disorganized and naive. But the modern Republican strikes me as brutally cynical.
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Lisa is just accurately showing the Republicans leaving a trail of land mines as they refuse to give any ground.
Michael Peterson Premium Member about 14 years ago
So, Obama offers a chance to get on TV and talk about it, and the Republicans say it’s a trap? How is it a trap? Are their positions so difficult to explain? Are they so inarticulate that they fear looking stupid? What’s the trap? Look, if you know that going on TV and telling people what you think is gonna make you look stupid, that’s not a trap. That’s a sign that you know you’re stupid.
littledutchboy about 14 years ago
DID ANYONE SEE THE FILM “SICKO” I think it said it all. Anyone who has seen the film and has a complaint about it, I’d love to hear it.
There are countries in the world with functioning health care systems in place where everyone is happy: Doctors, patients, governments. Just not insurance companies. They are out of the equation.
4uk4ata about 14 years ago
“Wrong, dutch. The Swiss all have health insurance AND successful insurance companies!
But their model works too well. The Demoncrats would sooner die than adopt the Swiss model, because no one would be dependent on THEM”
Yet somehow, despite there are tens of countries with working universal healthcare AND private insurers (including the UK), introducing a watered-down public option in the US would cause all private insurers to fail, all medicine to become nationalized, and fire to rain from the sky.
Scotty, the current healthcare bill the Senate proposed is, if anything, less restrictive than the Swiss system. Swiss insurers are not allowed to make profit off basic insurance (only supplemental plans, and even there profit and services are restricted) face heavy regulation that imposes the same standards throughout the country, and private and public healthcare coexists.
In short, the Swiss system is a lot like the Senate bill, only more regulated and with more public healthcare provision (yes, there are publicly funded healthcar providers in Switzerland, such as university hospitals). I guess that model would work too well, eh?