The Kaiser Family Foundation had it that Washington D.C. actually led the nation in firearm-related fatalities during much of the past decade in spite of the fact that the city had essentially banned private firearm ownership. It wasn’t until ca. 2007 or so that Alaska finally topped it.[]Makes you wonder how it is that DC had such a high fatality rate when civilians weren’t even supposed to be owning guns in the first place…
This cartoonist clearly lives in his own fantasy world. If he had really been to a state where concealed carry is allowed (dare I day “the norm”), he would know better!
‘…DRAW! Which would be my caption for this cartoon! Imagine an arthritic accountant, with macular degeneration, packing a glock, who has just had a mocha-latte with three extra espresso shots, then a kid’s balloon pops!I know I have brought this up before a few times (just about every time there’s a massacre and this forum fills up with folks for and against gun-control), but this cartoon reminds me of the one situation I was in where several bar patrons had their concealed weapons drawn, including work colleagues at my table, when a drunk guy came into the bar with a gun tucked in the back of his trousers but quite visible. The guys at my table had had a few drinks themselves The cartoon captures the same feeling.
Actually, if my state’s concealed weapon permit requirements were standard for the purchase or possession of any firearm, anywhere in America, it WOULD reduce the availability of weapons to many of these shooters. HOwever, with the vast number of weapons already in the system, it’s a little late to play “catch up”.
‘Are there any statistics on the percentage of people who fell victim to weapons when they themselves brought some into the situation compared to that of those who were injured or dead when they where considered unarmed by the culprits?’I would love to know, too. In South Africa newspapers often carry reports of have-a-go heros who successfully apprehend or even shoot dead armed criminals hijacking their cars or places of work. They also often carry news reports of private citizens who lost when they drew their weapons and were outmatched or, like the case closer to where I lived at a time in Ferndale, Randburg: after a heist, the criminals were making their way to their getaway vehicle when a have-a-go hero challenged them. His gun jammed. One of the criminals then forced him onto his knees and executed him in the square and then calmly walked away. In that square there were definitely many other South Africans who were armed or had easy access to a gun (guns are far more prevalent there than in the USA) but no-one intervened further.Another work colleague witnessed a highway heist of a cash van. When other motorists drew their weapons, several of the criminals fired their automatic rifles at or above their heads. The other motorists ducked and stayed ducked.I returned to South Africa in ’95 for 4 years. But after living under that sort of apprehension and tension, I left it for a 2nd time.I doubt I would like to live in the USA if your gun-nuts are as nuts as the South African gun-nuts.
Since you don’t seem to understand. Ask Adam Lanza which of the 41 gun laws he broke prevented him from shooting 26 people. Clearly he didn’t care about more legislation. So why do you? If you honestly think there will be less guns, you’re not living in the real world.
Which part of parental and personal responsibility is worn out NRA stuff? How is it that you can think additional laws added to the ones on the books now will help? Someone in China just stabbed 22 people, do we regulate knives too? It’s the person committing the crimes, start with them.
clearly the answer is simple. more guns. It’s been our answer for years, and look how well it’s working! we now have massacres, on the average, of only once every 6 weeks or so (lately). we have to start arming our teachers and our children starting with kindergartners. If that classroom full of kindergartners had ak15’s, like the shooter, they would have been able to stop him before he killed 27 people.
Dianne Feinstein’s bill is the right idea, but the wrong solution. There is no point in outlawing guns. They are out there, there are millions, they are made of metal and will last for a thousand years if they are kept oiled. Failing that, I could find materials in my basement that would produce a workable gun, and it doesn’t take much knowledge of the subject to figure out how to do it.
Bullets, on the other hand, are time consuming to make and require specific equipment. Production of enough to do serious damage would require planning and patience that are not characteristic of those who shoot up elementary schools. And, working on such a project might attract the attention of someone sane.
Bullets can be individually stamped, and their sale can be registered, so that every bullet can be traced back to the person who purchased it. This way, a guy who wants to buy a couple boxes of bullets to go shoot deer, or the woman who wants a box to keep with the gun in her bedside drawer, won’t set off any warning bells. But the guy who is buying an arsenal will attract attention before he finds a more lethal way to do it.
Ironhold over 11 years ago
The Kaiser Family Foundation had it that Washington D.C. actually led the nation in firearm-related fatalities during much of the past decade in spite of the fact that the city had essentially banned private firearm ownership. It wasn’t until ca. 2007 or so that Alaska finally topped it.[]Makes you wonder how it is that DC had such a high fatality rate when civilians weren’t even supposed to be owning guns in the first place…
alex Coke Premium Member over 11 years ago
Have you ever been to DC? I don’t wonder… Besides, guns are still quite easy to get.
geometer2 over 11 years ago
This cartoonist clearly lives in his own fantasy world. If he had really been to a state where concealed carry is allowed (dare I day “the norm”), he would know better!
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 11 years ago
That is why I stay in Canada…even during the winter!
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
‘…DRAW! Which would be my caption for this cartoon! Imagine an arthritic accountant, with macular degeneration, packing a glock, who has just had a mocha-latte with three extra espresso shots, then a kid’s balloon pops!I know I have brought this up before a few times (just about every time there’s a massacre and this forum fills up with folks for and against gun-control), but this cartoon reminds me of the one situation I was in where several bar patrons had their concealed weapons drawn, including work colleagues at my table, when a drunk guy came into the bar with a gun tucked in the back of his trousers but quite visible. The guys at my table had had a few drinks themselves The cartoon captures the same feeling.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Actually, if my state’s concealed weapon permit requirements were standard for the purchase or possession of any firearm, anywhere in America, it WOULD reduce the availability of weapons to many of these shooters. HOwever, with the vast number of weapons already in the system, it’s a little late to play “catch up”.
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
‘Are there any statistics on the percentage of people who fell victim to weapons when they themselves brought some into the situation compared to that of those who were injured or dead when they where considered unarmed by the culprits?’I would love to know, too. In South Africa newspapers often carry reports of have-a-go heros who successfully apprehend or even shoot dead armed criminals hijacking their cars or places of work. They also often carry news reports of private citizens who lost when they drew their weapons and were outmatched or, like the case closer to where I lived at a time in Ferndale, Randburg: after a heist, the criminals were making their way to their getaway vehicle when a have-a-go hero challenged them. His gun jammed. One of the criminals then forced him onto his knees and executed him in the square and then calmly walked away. In that square there were definitely many other South Africans who were armed or had easy access to a gun (guns are far more prevalent there than in the USA) but no-one intervened further.Another work colleague witnessed a highway heist of a cash van. When other motorists drew their weapons, several of the criminals fired their automatic rifles at or above their heads. The other motorists ducked and stayed ducked.I returned to South Africa in ’95 for 4 years. But after living under that sort of apprehension and tension, I left it for a 2nd time.I doubt I would like to live in the USA if your gun-nuts are as nuts as the South African gun-nuts.
sw10mm over 11 years ago
Since you don’t seem to understand. Ask Adam Lanza which of the 41 gun laws he broke prevented him from shooting 26 people. Clearly he didn’t care about more legislation. So why do you? If you honestly think there will be less guns, you’re not living in the real world.
sw10mm over 11 years ago
Which part of parental and personal responsibility is worn out NRA stuff? How is it that you can think additional laws added to the ones on the books now will help? Someone in China just stabbed 22 people, do we regulate knives too? It’s the person committing the crimes, start with them.
dannysixpack over 11 years ago
clearly the answer is simple. more guns. It’s been our answer for years, and look how well it’s working! we now have massacres, on the average, of only once every 6 weeks or so (lately). we have to start arming our teachers and our children starting with kindergartners. If that classroom full of kindergartners had ak15’s, like the shooter, they would have been able to stop him before he killed 27 people.
Diane Lee Premium Member over 11 years ago
Dianne Feinstein’s bill is the right idea, but the wrong solution. There is no point in outlawing guns. They are out there, there are millions, they are made of metal and will last for a thousand years if they are kept oiled. Failing that, I could find materials in my basement that would produce a workable gun, and it doesn’t take much knowledge of the subject to figure out how to do it.
Bullets, on the other hand, are time consuming to make and require specific equipment. Production of enough to do serious damage would require planning and patience that are not characteristic of those who shoot up elementary schools. And, working on such a project might attract the attention of someone sane.
Bullets can be individually stamped, and their sale can be registered, so that every bullet can be traced back to the person who purchased it. This way, a guy who wants to buy a couple boxes of bullets to go shoot deer, or the woman who wants a box to keep with the gun in her bedside drawer, won’t set off any warning bells. But the guy who is buying an arsenal will attract attention before he finds a more lethal way to do it.