I do believe, if I have understood the American callousness I have often read on this forum, that the loss of life in the Libyan embassy attack was ‘collateral damage’.
…not that I think your president Obama said any such thing but I note you do not like having your fellow Americans considered being ‘bumps on the road’.
Consider non-Americans being referred to as “collateral damage” and consider their outrage.Meh, I bet you won’t.
"You must be a little troll. "Not at all. However, before you proceed, I have this little riddle you must solve…But I digress.1) “Collateral Damage” is the effects of your foreign policies and doesn’t just mean the innocent civilians of other nations. Alas Ambassador Stevens, by all accounts actually someone who was well placed & well suited for the role, was killed. I note your outrage. I feel it. Do you feel the outrage of the families of the other victims of “collateral damage”? No? I don’t feel you feeling it..2a) Yes, callousness.Non-American lives are unimportant to many Americans as evidenced by your nation’s foreign policies and deeds , as evidenced by many posters on this very forum. For sure there are compatriots of yours who do care (viz today’s Matt Wuerker’s cartoon) but not enough (viz comments under today’s Matt Wuerker’s cartoon). I have repeatedly pointed it out as often as I can, whenever I see it.2b) Why would I need to lie? I’ve mentioned my nationalities on this forum often enough. I currently live in the U.K. But I was not born here. I’m a national of a country that was neutral for a good part of the 2nd WW, like the USA. From ‘43 the neutrality was ignored [more] and [more] aid was provided in favour of the allies. However, the favour was not really returned. My mother country remained a dictatorship until 1974, no thanks to Western help since they helped prop it up. Thanks to compatriots, including a few uncles & aunts (bloody communists), they overthrew the dictatorship themselves. However, I wasn’t born in my mother-country. I was born on the African continent. I almost fought in a East-West proxy war during the Cold War on behalf of the West but decided it wasn’t my battle and skipped the country. I moved to my mother country.Soon I will move to Austria. By the way, Soviet troops “liberated” them in WW-IIYour aid in the 2nd WW was a little late but timely. My mother country’s aid to your war effort was late but timely. My birth-country was actually part of the British empire at the time and participated in WW-II from the start.But the above reflects nothing on me. I didn’t take part, I was not responsible either way and therefore do not take credit or pride.You said “No other country in the history of the world has spent more blood or money for other people”Nah, the Soviets beat you on that score. Over 24 million dead in the 2nd WW.3)No need to google it, I had posted the entirety of the 60 minutes programme from Youtube (see my url link in my original post). You hear what you want to hear. I understand, you dislike the man; your take is partisan, meh.
“refuse to listen to facts”A guy surnamed ‘Guess’ talking about facts.ahem, sorry, just found it amusing, I apologise; I’m sure you’re quite content with your moniker. Moving along…However, this is the 2nd time I’ve come across you bringing up the word ‘facts’; how about providing some of them or pointing them out?
Obama has a life-long exposure to other cultures, from early childhood, and sees diplomacy as a tough, but necessary and viable, if dangerous alternative to bombing the world into submission to our objectives. He shared his formative years with Pakistani roommates in college, and was seeking his own identity, as it affected others, as well as himself.
Mitt saw Paris in the springtime, for two years, sipping from a silver spoon orientation, not “hardscrabble existence”.
I trust the man who understands the real world, with real exposure, even if it wasn’t directly like mine, in combat with those “other folks”.
Our youthful nation still needs to learn some humility, and understanding of others, as President Obama did, not just how to be the richest bully on the block. With that growth, our nation will grow, and gain more respect from the rest of the world.
It is hard to understand why none of the posters here have mentioned the “bump in the road” of our mideast policy under the previous president. An invasion of a mideast country based on phonied up “intelligence” that cost thousands of American lives and ten of thousands of Iraqi lives is one heckuva “bump in the road.” And you righties want to elect the guy who is using these same Bush advisors?
Murphy224 over 11 years ago
Great Americans who died for their country being called “bumps in the road” by our prez. Sad.
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
I do believe, if I have understood the American callousness I have often read on this forum, that the loss of life in the Libyan embassy attack was ‘collateral damage’.
…not that I think your president Obama said any such thing but I note you do not like having your fellow Americans considered being ‘bumps on the road’.
Consider non-Americans being referred to as “collateral damage” and consider their outrage.Meh, I bet you won’t.
Michael Peterson Premium Member over 11 years ago
People die in wars? Who knew?
Chillbilly over 11 years ago
Jeez do these guys not feel any shame for doing the exact same cartoons as their colleagues?
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
"You must be a little troll. "Not at all. However, before you proceed, I have this little riddle you must solve…But I digress.1) “Collateral Damage” is the effects of your foreign policies and doesn’t just mean the innocent civilians of other nations. Alas Ambassador Stevens, by all accounts actually someone who was well placed & well suited for the role, was killed. I note your outrage. I feel it. Do you feel the outrage of the families of the other victims of “collateral damage”? No? I don’t feel you feeling it..2a) Yes, callousness.Non-American lives are unimportant to many Americans as evidenced by your nation’s foreign policies and deeds , as evidenced by many posters on this very forum. For sure there are compatriots of yours who do care (viz today’s Matt Wuerker’s cartoon) but not enough (viz comments under today’s Matt Wuerker’s cartoon). I have repeatedly pointed it out as often as I can, whenever I see it.2b) Why would I need to lie? I’ve mentioned my nationalities on this forum often enough. I currently live in the U.K. But I was not born here. I’m a national of a country that was neutral for a good part of the 2nd WW, like the USA. From ‘43 the neutrality was ignored [more] and [more] aid was provided in favour of the allies. However, the favour was not really returned. My mother country remained a dictatorship until 1974, no thanks to Western help since they helped prop it up. Thanks to compatriots, including a few uncles & aunts (bloody communists), they overthrew the dictatorship themselves. However, I wasn’t born in my mother-country. I was born on the African continent. I almost fought in a East-West proxy war during the Cold War on behalf of the West but decided it wasn’t my battle and skipped the country. I moved to my mother country.Soon I will move to Austria. By the way, Soviet troops “liberated” them in WW-IIYour aid in the 2nd WW was a little late but timely. My mother country’s aid to your war effort was late but timely. My birth-country was actually part of the British empire at the time and participated in WW-II from the start.But the above reflects nothing on me. I didn’t take part, I was not responsible either way and therefore do not take credit or pride.You said “No other country in the history of the world has spent more blood or money for other people”Nah, the Soviets beat you on that score. Over 24 million dead in the 2nd WW.3)No need to google it, I had posted the entirety of the 60 minutes programme from Youtube (see my url link in my original post). You hear what you want to hear. I understand, you dislike the man; your take is partisan, meh.
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
“refuse to listen to facts”A guy surnamed ‘Guess’ talking about facts.ahem, sorry, just found it amusing, I apologise; I’m sure you’re quite content with your moniker. Moving along…However, this is the 2nd time I’ve come across you bringing up the word ‘facts’; how about providing some of them or pointing them out?
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Obama has a life-long exposure to other cultures, from early childhood, and sees diplomacy as a tough, but necessary and viable, if dangerous alternative to bombing the world into submission to our objectives. He shared his formative years with Pakistani roommates in college, and was seeking his own identity, as it affected others, as well as himself.
Mitt saw Paris in the springtime, for two years, sipping from a silver spoon orientation, not “hardscrabble existence”.
I trust the man who understands the real world, with real exposure, even if it wasn’t directly like mine, in combat with those “other folks”.
Our youthful nation still needs to learn some humility, and understanding of others, as President Obama did, not just how to be the richest bully on the block. With that growth, our nation will grow, and gain more respect from the rest of the world.
eepatt over 11 years ago
It is hard to understand why none of the posters here have mentioned the “bump in the road” of our mideast policy under the previous president. An invasion of a mideast country based on phonied up “intelligence” that cost thousands of American lives and ten of thousands of Iraqi lives is one heckuva “bump in the road.” And you righties want to elect the guy who is using these same Bush advisors?
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Well, thanks, Howgozit, It was a little “blip” with the moderator.