Henry Payne for April 20, 2012

The clean (green) economy employs more people than the fossil fuel sector. That’s what makes conservatives flaccid.

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2011/0713_clean_economy.aspx

Embarrass the GOP? You can’t embarrass that which has no shame.

If you read the full report, you will see that they also count gas station employees (convenience store clerks?), not exactly high paying desirable jobs. But do you have any better numbers?

“What exactly is the far right ACTUALLY doing "

The most recent example, is the Arizona law that defines life as beginning two weeks before conception.

“Your link does not back up your claim.”You obviously read the first sentence of the report. Good job! However, my claim was that the green economy employs more people than the fossil fuel sector. The rest of the report supports that. Calling it Obama’s green unicorn is a nice sound bite, like the old saying my grandfather used to hear when he got his first car: “get a horse.”Got your horse yet?

“So far, just what comes out the back end.”

So, stop listening to people like rush, and get your facts from reliable sources. You’re the one that said libs don’t have facts… what are your facts on Green Economy Employment?

“Try taking out the guys who drive the “green” bus "

I would also take out the people working in convenience stores. But you can download the full report and do the math yourself. That is, if you really were interested in learning something.

“Just like unemployment is “only 8%”Non-sequitur.

Fizzled out?

“a sub-set of clean energy, energy efficiency, and related segments growmuch faster than the nation”

“newer “cleantech” segments produced explosive job gains and the clean economy outperformed the nation during the recession”-——————————————————————-

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/Programs/Metro/clean_economy/0713_clean_economy.pdf

What, because they included bus drivers in their numbers, in accordance with accepted worldwide practice in assessing the industry, the non-partisan Brookings Institute has no veracity? What a load! Don’t accuse others of poor logic or dishonesty or dogma just because you don’t want to believe what is in their report.You can remove transportation workers from the data, but the Green Economy will still be comparable in size to the fossil fuel sector. And it isn’t going away. It’s growing, although not as much in the U.S. as in China, thanks to the obstructionism by republicans.

I want real numbers too, that’s why I am asking you to provide yours. You seem much more intelligent than the average right-winger on this forum, who is unable to read, to think critically. So what is your problem?

Thanks for your opinion. I will give it all the consideration it is due.

@all republicansYou had better hope you are right about the lack of jobs in the Green Economy, because you are making the same mistake there that you are with women’s rights. Your war on women has caused a gender gap in favor of the democrats. And your war on the green economy is pissing off all those workers that you pretend don’t exist.

“You should require more honesty and less dogma "

Still no verifiable data or facts in your posts, much less any citations at all.I therefore reject your dogma that the green economy isn’t growing and viable.

The amount being invested by China and the U.S. is covered in that report that you reject. Got a different citation, or just more sophist games?

All those chinese-made wind turbines that I see going in around the country are just a hologram Obama magically created to fool us. There’s never been a green job and never will be. At least, not in your parents basement where you live.

It looks like you misunderstood me on at least one point; when I said they counted Gas station employees, I didn’t mean to say they were on the Green side of the ledger. They are on the fossil fuel side. Counting convenience store clerks does seem to be a misleading statistic. But I haven’t read the citation they use for fossil fuel statistics, which is an API sponsored study….-——————————————-http://www.scribd.com/doc/20005599/PwC-study-The-Economic-Impacts-of-the-Oil-and-Natural-Gas-Industry-on-the-U-S-Economy-———————————————————————Also, I think the auto workers they are counting are the ones working on hybrids and electrics.

As for “taxing” the green economy, don’t those employees pay taxes like every other worker?

The subsidies and loans to the green economy are also shown in the Brookings report. Most have expired or are about to. Also, I would point out that lots of other industries receive tax breaks, subsidies, loans and so on. Including the oil industries, and the housing industry. Picking on the industries you don’t like while ignoring the ones you do is a common tactic of your ilk.Hence, lots of green workers getting as angry as hell and vowing not to take it anymore

“you expect everyone to believe that those who build automobiles, work in the oil and gas industry, sell gas, and so on, are considered “green jobs””

You’re spouting nonsense, I never said that and neither does the Brookings Report. I suggest you actually read it (all 68 pages) before you have the arrogance to criticize it or me.