Yes Governor Chris Christie you did veto the Bill. By so doing you have made it very clear that you neither respect nor represent the will of the majority of your States electorate, an electorate whose will was reflected by and though their State of New Jersey’s elected Congressional members when, after reasonable consideration, voted for and so passed the Bill that you, Governor Chris Christie, vetoed. Therefore, by that veto you chose not only to deny the peoples will but, far worse; you denied equal access and justice to a minority group of citizen’s within the State of New Jersey.
What is more dangerous is that your prejudices and discriminatory actions stem from your core fundamentalist, religious beliefs and dogma. Beliefs by which you are gaging and so tainting your decisions and actions as Governor and, by your veto demonstrated your willingness to openly, forcefully, and with malice to discriminate against selected groups of citizens that do not subscribe and/or conform to your brand of religious beliefs with their inherent, anti-democratic, intolerance.
How ironic indeed is your veto denying democratic justice to a minority group of American citizen’s while, at the same time, America has its’ valiant sons and daughters in Afghanistan fighting and dying for the very ‘conceptual’ democratic principles’ that many of them will be denied when they return to New Jersey and to other American States.
In a truly free and compassionate representative democracy, the travesty against justice so committed here by you, must not be allowed to stand least it serves as the slippery slope by which this Nation slides from democracy into an intolerant, despotic theocracy.
“Why would anybody want to get married? It complicates things.”Because legally married couples have spousal protections that matter for funerary, inheritance, custody, and other important issues. The right to hospital visitation is automatic to a legal spouse. Without spousal protections, it’s up to a possibly hostile family to allow you something as basic as hospital visitation.
Big Government is when govrnemnt interfears in people lives, deciding what they can and can not do. You can QUOTE me when I say there are no small government CONservatives
Libby meant to say “Because historically we have NOT defined marriage in our constitution”. Family law has always been state law, except for the big-intrusive-government Republicans who want anti-gay federal laws and amendments.There’s only one reason to stop gay marriage: Because you hate homosexuals and want to hurt them.
You do realize there are plenty of other usages of marriage in the bible, right? Nevertheless, it would be fine with me if the government got out of the marriage business completely. Every couple gets a civil union that accounts for all the legal stuff, and then those that choose to do so can optionally get “married” in the church of their choice. Equality for all.
I have no use for biblical definitions other than to enlighten those who think the one-man-one-woman version of marriage is the only one found in the bible. A quick cut-n-paste via Google:If one were to construct an amendment to the Constitution based on a literal reading of the Bible it might well contain the following stipulations:
1. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
2. Marriage shall not impede a man’s right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)
3. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)
4. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)
5. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)
6. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother’s widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe, and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)
7. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36)
Wow, I can’t believe you wasted so much time on what was clearly labeled as a simple cut-n-paste…to someone else. I do hope you devote at least as much time to all the comments directed to you here, and not just run away again: http://www.gocomics.com/joelpett/2012/02/20/ And you are still unable to answer the simple question, “When did you choose to be heterosexual, and what was your life like before you chose?”
No trap, Eddie. You made the claim that one’s sexual orientation is a choice. I disagree, but if you are correct, then at some point you chose to be attracted to only women. Before you made that choice, you obviously must have been attracted to both sexes.Myself, I never made such a choice. It was just obvious to me from a very early age that I was only attracted to the opposite sex.Thus, I’m a bit fascinated what it must be like to be sexually attracted to males like you were before you chose to no longer be. Can you also turn your preferences for, say, different foods on and off like that?
Not really nice research, Gresch…just the first Google result that came up. But it illustrated my point that the one-man-one-woman version of marriage isn’t the only biblical one.
I think I’ve already told you “why the side track”. Haven’t really made my mind up regarding multiple spouses. Sure wouldn’t be for me, but maybe it could work for someone else.
leweclectic about 12 years ago
Yes Governor Chris Christie you did veto the Bill. By so doing you have made it very clear that you neither respect nor represent the will of the majority of your States electorate, an electorate whose will was reflected by and though their State of New Jersey’s elected Congressional members when, after reasonable consideration, voted for and so passed the Bill that you, Governor Chris Christie, vetoed. Therefore, by that veto you chose not only to deny the peoples will but, far worse; you denied equal access and justice to a minority group of citizen’s within the State of New Jersey.
What is more dangerous is that your prejudices and discriminatory actions stem from your core fundamentalist, religious beliefs and dogma. Beliefs by which you are gaging and so tainting your decisions and actions as Governor and, by your veto demonstrated your willingness to openly, forcefully, and with malice to discriminate against selected groups of citizens that do not subscribe and/or conform to your brand of religious beliefs with their inherent, anti-democratic, intolerance.
How ironic indeed is your veto denying democratic justice to a minority group of American citizen’s while, at the same time, America has its’ valiant sons and daughters in Afghanistan fighting and dying for the very ‘conceptual’ democratic principles’ that many of them will be denied when they return to New Jersey and to other American States.In a truly free and compassionate representative democracy, the travesty against justice so committed here by you, must not be allowed to stand least it serves as the slippery slope by which this Nation slides from democracy into an intolerant, despotic theocracy.
ARodney about 12 years ago
Christie is history.
Jason Allen about 12 years ago
“Why would anybody want to get married? It complicates things.”Because legally married couples have spousal protections that matter for funerary, inheritance, custody, and other important issues. The right to hospital visitation is automatic to a legal spouse. Without spousal protections, it’s up to a possibly hostile family to allow you something as basic as hospital visitation.
Heavy B about 12 years ago
Big Government is when govrnemnt interfears in people lives, deciding what they can and can not do. You can QUOTE me when I say there are no small government CONservatives
Yassir Thasmebebbi about 12 years ago
Libby meant to say “Because historically we have NOT defined marriage in our constitution”. Family law has always been state law, except for the big-intrusive-government Republicans who want anti-gay federal laws and amendments.There’s only one reason to stop gay marriage: Because you hate homosexuals and want to hurt them.
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Sheneman had to draw him holding up an “alternate” finger.
Yassir Thasmebebbi about 12 years ago
You do realize there are plenty of other usages of marriage in the bible, right? Nevertheless, it would be fine with me if the government got out of the marriage business completely. Every couple gets a civil union that accounts for all the legal stuff, and then those that choose to do so can optionally get “married” in the church of their choice. Equality for all.
Yassir Thasmebebbi about 12 years ago
I have no use for biblical definitions other than to enlighten those who think the one-man-one-woman version of marriage is the only one found in the bible. A quick cut-n-paste via Google:If one were to construct an amendment to the Constitution based on a literal reading of the Bible it might well contain the following stipulations:
1. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
2. Marriage shall not impede a man’s right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)
3. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)
4. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)
5. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)
6. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother’s widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe, and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)
7. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36)
Yassir Thasmebebbi about 12 years ago
Wow, I can’t believe you wasted so much time on what was clearly labeled as a simple cut-n-paste…to someone else. I do hope you devote at least as much time to all the comments directed to you here, and not just run away again: http://www.gocomics.com/joelpett/2012/02/20/ And you are still unable to answer the simple question, “When did you choose to be heterosexual, and what was your life like before you chose?”
Yassir Thasmebebbi about 12 years ago
No trap, Eddie. You made the claim that one’s sexual orientation is a choice. I disagree, but if you are correct, then at some point you chose to be attracted to only women. Before you made that choice, you obviously must have been attracted to both sexes.Myself, I never made such a choice. It was just obvious to me from a very early age that I was only attracted to the opposite sex.Thus, I’m a bit fascinated what it must be like to be sexually attracted to males like you were before you chose to no longer be. Can you also turn your preferences for, say, different foods on and off like that?
Yassir Thasmebebbi about 12 years ago
Not really nice research, Gresch…just the first Google result that came up. But it illustrated my point that the one-man-one-woman version of marriage isn’t the only biblical one.
Yassir Thasmebebbi about 12 years ago
I think I’ve already told you “why the side track”. Haven’t really made my mind up regarding multiple spouses. Sure wouldn’t be for me, but maybe it could work for someone else.