The real issues are not where prisoners are to be lodged, but the process under which they became prisoners, their treatment as prisoners, and their right to a speedy and impartial trial. Here, the United States (not without the help of both «friends» and adversaries) has been, is, and alas, seems determined to continue to be an abject failure….
Nomad2112-Don’t use the word “BLOW” around Obama ….it’s not that he uses it in the same context as Clinton/Lewinsky ….it inspires him to look for something to stick up his nose….it’s in his book
The key is “suspects”. Until tried and convicted they are NOT “TERRORISTS”. Interesting how even after Cheney openly confessed his role, the “liberal” press, and Repugs, insist his actions are only “alleged”. It isn’t just torture, but habeus, trials, and justice. IF they’re convicted, we can easily lock them up, right here at home, where law says we should.
I’m afraid it is a long standing tradition in our history to inter people without trial or even legal complaint. Think of governmental treatment of Native Americans, slavery, or more recently Japanese interment camps. Torture has appeared in our past, too (think of the Philippine-American War).
But at its best, our legal system demands people are innocent until proven guilty. Either they are accused of a crime or, in a battlefield situation, they are prisoners of war. We alter that at our peril.
MaryWorth Premium Member almost 15 years ago
What debate? An empty prison in waiting them in Hardin, Montana, and the town is fine with having terrorists locked up in THEIR backyard!
danielsangeo almost 15 years ago
oldlego: So, Repubs are willing to take them?
nomad2112 almost 15 years ago
The Dem’s being imprisoned by the GOP? Even when the Dem’s are the ruling party they can’t get anything done except blow more of our money.
mhenriday almost 15 years ago
The real issues are not where prisoners are to be lodged, but the process under which they became prisoners, their treatment as prisoners, and their right to a speedy and impartial trial. Here, the United States (not without the help of both «friends» and adversaries) has been, is, and alas, seems determined to continue to be an abject failure….
Henri
CorosiveFrog Premium Member almost 15 years ago
just not tortured is enough for me and most liberals. Stop the torture and the world will forget about Gitmo in a matter of months.
steve1945 almost 15 years ago
Nomad2112-Don’t use the word “BLOW” around Obama ….it’s not that he uses it in the same context as Clinton/Lewinsky ….it inspires him to look for something to stick up his nose….it’s in his book
Dtroutma almost 15 years ago
The key is “suspects”. Until tried and convicted they are NOT “TERRORISTS”. Interesting how even after Cheney openly confessed his role, the “liberal” press, and Repugs, insist his actions are only “alleged”. It isn’t just torture, but habeus, trials, and justice. IF they’re convicted, we can easily lock them up, right here at home, where law says we should.
cdward almost 15 years ago
I’m afraid it is a long standing tradition in our history to inter people without trial or even legal complaint. Think of governmental treatment of Native Americans, slavery, or more recently Japanese interment camps. Torture has appeared in our past, too (think of the Philippine-American War).
But at its best, our legal system demands people are innocent until proven guilty. Either they are accused of a crime or, in a battlefield situation, they are prisoners of war. We alter that at our peril.