I think we should build a high security prison on some island that is near, but not in our country. Some place like Gitmo. In fact, Gitmo would be a perfect place except it would not cost anything to make the move.
Actually we lease a COALING (re-fueling) station from Cuba. It is by lease U.S. territory, but with restrictions. Putting the prison camp there violated U.S. law, international law, and the lease agreement, despite what Gonzales and Loo lied. THAT is the real problem Obama is trying to work out, how to get legality past both Liberal AND Conservative morons doing their complaining. Line ‘em up with Bush and Cheney and send them all to the same place, wherever.
Corosive Frog, So we should close all prisons were someone was “mistreated”? That would leave zero prisons open in the world. Your logic is the same used by the anti-gun nuts. “Outlaw guns and let the killers go free”. Remember, prisons don’t torture people, other people do. Of course, I don’t agree that water boarding is torture. Listening to Nancy Pelosi is torture.
“So we should close all prisons were someone was “mistreated”?”
Corosive Frog didn’t say that. And there’s a wide gap between “mistreated” and “tortured”.
“Of course, I don’t agree that water boarding is torture.”
I know you don’t agree, but the United States (along with the rest of the civilized world) thought it was until just recently (research the case of Yukio Asano or the International Military Tribunal of the Far East if you don’t believe me).
Not talking about Congress… I’m talking about you equivocating here on the legality of torture, warrantless wiretapping etc…
You seem to confuse your own conviction that “it’s worth it” with “IT’S ILLEGAL!”
I need money. If I rob a bank, but don’t kill anyone, then it worked, didn’t it?
“The hysteria of the waterboarding of three terrorists is inexplainable.”
Actually, it’s quite explainable. Torture (such as water boarding) is a war crime. It isn’t running a stop sign. It doesn’t have anything to do with being “anti-Bush”. It has nothing to do with “leading to any deaths”. It has nothing to do with it “working”.
It has to do with it being a war crime according to National and International Law. It is something that we prosecuted others for with the death penalty.
Water boarding has been a war crime for a long time. It is currently illegal according to Title 18, Section 2441.
“As used in this section the term “war crime” means any conduct—defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party”
Water boarding is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions. Therefore, a war crime.
THAT is what we’re against. It has nothing to do with the political party of the person that authorized and ordered it.
That you want to make this political is “inexplainable” (sic).
What you forget is that it’s not just waterboarding. You know we tortured people in Abu Ghraib, that we practiced extreme rendition in which we kidnapped people from their countries and transported them to other countries where they were tortured. It’s all wrong. And does it matter how many? Wrong is wrong. If the president ordered torture, there’s something terribly wrong with that.
Pretending it made you safer (which it didn’t) is not worth losing your soul. But if you’re willing to torture and murder (remember, prisoners did die as a result of some of those “enhanced” techniques), then you really have lost any sense of civility.
I love the way liberals state their “opinion” as “fact”. If water boarding is a “war crime”, then we are committing war crimes when we train our special forces. Reporters have been water boarded. Was that a war crime? Anyone who says they wouldn’t use “whatever it took” to save the life of their family is either a liar or a fool.
Howgozit and others (read Cheney) say their “enhanced” methods kept us safe for 8 years. There was no attack on US soil by foreign terrorists for decades before CheneyBush. How did they slip up and let us get attacked on their watch?
Also, why are terrorist attacks so much worse if they happen here? CheneyBush’s tactics didn’t stop attacks in London or Madrid. They’re not Americans so they don’t count?
Keith Messamer almost 15 years ago
The new place would be the official site of “torture” anyway.
Motivemagus almost 15 years ago
Where would YOU put them, inept ANandy?
MaryWorth Premium Member almost 15 years ago
Hardin, Montana, will take them! Onto the next “problem”…
Dtroutma almost 15 years ago
Uh, anyone seen Charlie Manson or Terry Nichols running around their neighborhoods lately? This straw dog has been in the stalls way too long.
greeneyedtxn almost 15 years ago
Put them in San Quinton. They want them.
Michigander almost 15 years ago
Antartica with a blanket and some boots; that’s it. They’re on their own from there : )
gbrucewilson almost 15 years ago
I think we should build a high security prison on some island that is near, but not in our country. Some place like Gitmo. In fact, Gitmo would be a perfect place except it would not cost anything to make the move.
Leave them in Gitmo! Onto the next “problem”…
danielsangeo almost 15 years ago
gbrucewilson: So, what you’re saying is that the Supermax prisons aren’t safe?
raycity almost 15 years ago
The rent is 4,000 a month why in hell close it . To move them and place them in US prisons will cost million’s
CorosiveFrog Premium Member almost 15 years ago
The place itself is not a problem. The torture is.
lalas almost 15 years ago
Lego – nearly EVERYBODY is a nimby. You rarely hear people clamoring to have a nuclear reactor or an asphalt factory built in their backyards.
NIMBY is spelled us.
ralphman almost 15 years ago
Hey I don’t want them anywhere on the planet!!
Dtroutma almost 15 years ago
Actually we lease a COALING (re-fueling) station from Cuba. It is by lease U.S. territory, but with restrictions. Putting the prison camp there violated U.S. law, international law, and the lease agreement, despite what Gonzales and Loo lied. THAT is the real problem Obama is trying to work out, how to get legality past both Liberal AND Conservative morons doing their complaining. Line ‘em up with Bush and Cheney and send them all to the same place, wherever.
gbrucewilson almost 15 years ago
Corosive Frog, So we should close all prisons were someone was “mistreated”? That would leave zero prisons open in the world. Your logic is the same used by the anti-gun nuts. “Outlaw guns and let the killers go free”. Remember, prisons don’t torture people, other people do. Of course, I don’t agree that water boarding is torture. Listening to Nancy Pelosi is torture.
danielsangeo almost 15 years ago
“So we should close all prisons were someone was “mistreated”?”
Corosive Frog didn’t say that. And there’s a wide gap between “mistreated” and “tortured”.
“Of course, I don’t agree that water boarding is torture.”
I know you don’t agree, but the United States (along with the rest of the civilized world) thought it was until just recently (research the case of Yukio Asano or the International Military Tribunal of the Far East if you don’t believe me).
“Listening to Nancy Pelosi is torture.”
I’m sorry, but I don’t find torture to be funny.
nomad2112 almost 15 years ago
Ah yes, liberals NEVER want to get THEIR hands dirty.
danielsangeo almost 15 years ago
nomad: How do you define getting one’s “hands dirty”?
lalas almost 15 years ago
Funny, the wingnuts want to punish the guilty except when it is they themselves.
lalas almost 15 years ago
Not talking about Congress… I’m talking about you equivocating here on the legality of torture, warrantless wiretapping etc… You seem to confuse your own conviction that “it’s worth it” with “IT’S ILLEGAL!”
lalas almost 15 years ago
Oh yeah those two things are equal. Pfffft… you’re a joke… a bad joke.
cdward almost 15 years ago
Howgozit, would you say murder is okay as long as you don’t get caught?
danielsangeo almost 15 years ago
I need money. If I rob a bank, but don’t kill anyone, then it worked, didn’t it?
“The hysteria of the waterboarding of three terrorists is inexplainable.”
Actually, it’s quite explainable. Torture (such as water boarding) is a war crime. It isn’t running a stop sign. It doesn’t have anything to do with being “anti-Bush”. It has nothing to do with “leading to any deaths”. It has nothing to do with it “working”.
It has to do with it being a war crime according to National and International Law. It is something that we prosecuted others for with the death penalty.
Water boarding has been a war crime for a long time. It is currently illegal according to Title 18, Section 2441.
“As used in this section the term “war crime” means any conduct—defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party”
Water boarding is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions. Therefore, a war crime.
THAT is what we’re against. It has nothing to do with the political party of the person that authorized and ordered it.
That you want to make this political is “inexplainable” (sic).
cdward almost 15 years ago
What you forget is that it’s not just waterboarding. You know we tortured people in Abu Ghraib, that we practiced extreme rendition in which we kidnapped people from their countries and transported them to other countries where they were tortured. It’s all wrong. And does it matter how many? Wrong is wrong. If the president ordered torture, there’s something terribly wrong with that.
Pretending it made you safer (which it didn’t) is not worth losing your soul. But if you’re willing to torture and murder (remember, prisoners did die as a result of some of those “enhanced” techniques), then you really have lost any sense of civility.
gbrucewilson almost 15 years ago
I love the way liberals state their “opinion” as “fact”. If water boarding is a “war crime”, then we are committing war crimes when we train our special forces. Reporters have been water boarded. Was that a war crime? Anyone who says they wouldn’t use “whatever it took” to save the life of their family is either a liar or a fool.
Bluejayz almost 15 years ago
Howgozit and others (read Cheney) say their “enhanced” methods kept us safe for 8 years. There was no attack on US soil by foreign terrorists for decades before CheneyBush. How did they slip up and let us get attacked on their watch?
Also, why are terrorist attacks so much worse if they happen here? CheneyBush’s tactics didn’t stop attacks in London or Madrid. They’re not Americans so they don’t count?