The DOJ basically said they should have been better led, better trained and better people. And that their defects meant that lives were lost when they could — and should — have been saved. I didn’t hear even one word of praise and only silence where most such teams would have had at least a “they did their best” or some such. They didn’t.
So much for “good guys with guns.” This is what would happen to millions of people who carry “for protection” if actually confronted by a person with a gun. Remember, if you have one and one is pointed at you, better leave yours in your pocket or you’ll get shot. And if you point it and are not mentally ready to shoot…..
Police have always used the “feared for their life” when they shoot an unarmed person including a naked 12 year old autistic boy; so when faced with an actual threat it is common sense not to risk their lives and to stand back until the threat is over.
A few decades back, when I was in school, I had a summer internship with the state court system. One afternoon, while working on an office in the same area as Family Court mediation, I was at a “coordinating” meeting about court security with three armed State Troopers. Gunfire broke out in a particularly heated divorce dispute across the hall. The troopers reacted quickly. They were under the table and out of the line of fire before the rest of us understood what was happening.
Unfortunately, cowardice is never in short supply in any walk of life. No area of endeavor is immune, nor will ever be. But if you respond by disarming the good guys to the cheers of the bad guys, better be prepared for what you’re going to get.
I hope that a subtext of Ramirez’s picture is that we’re not seeing the forest for the trees: AR15’s make law enforcement’s job tough and mass killings easier, all the other failings and recriminations aside. Otherwise, why put the chicken in the woods?
i’m not making a jugement…i’m just wondering if mike…or anyone was the first officer on the scene knowing he was going up against an automatic riffle…would you charge in there with just a hand gun… i guess my judgement would be…get rid of the automatic riffles…even if you just stopped selling them …and yes there would be a lot of them out …30 years from now ..there would be significantly less…the long view might make a diff for future generations…even if the NRA would scream and cry and withhold funding the cancun ted’s of the world…
According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, an active shooter is “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.” The International Association of Chiefs of Police defines a barricaded individual as a person “who has taken a position in a physical location” that doesn’t allow immediate police access and refuses to exit or follow police commands. Inside a classroom with hostages could be a “barricaded suspect”. Also, “if you see something, say something”. Then, on the morning of the attack, Ramos sent a direct message to an individual on a Facebook platform reading: “I’m going to shoot an elementary school.”
Concretionist 4 months ago
The DOJ basically said they should have been better led, better trained and better people. And that their defects meant that lives were lost when they could — and should — have been saved. I didn’t hear even one word of praise and only silence where most such teams would have had at least a “they did their best” or some such. They didn’t.
ibFrank 4 months ago
It took this long to get a report from the DOJ when the parents were saying that the day of the killings.
mourdac Premium Member 4 months ago
How much safer the 2nd Amendment has made us .. /s
DangerMan 4 months ago
So much for “good guys with guns.” This is what would happen to millions of people who carry “for protection” if actually confronted by a person with a gun. Remember, if you have one and one is pointed at you, better leave yours in your pocket or you’ll get shot. And if you point it and are not mentally ready to shoot…..
fusilier 4 months ago
I thought it just took a good guy with a gun to deal with a bad guy with a gun?
There were about 200 “good guys with guns” that didn’t do diddly-squat.
Maybe just keeping combat rifles off the streets?
fusilier
James 2:24
Gen.Flashman 4 months ago
Police have always used the “feared for their life” when they shoot an unarmed person including a naked 12 year old autistic boy; so when faced with an actual threat it is common sense not to risk their lives and to stand back until the threat is over.
1BlackLivesMatter Premium Member 4 months ago
That’s what you get when you defund the police.
Alberta Oil Premium Member 4 months ago
Lots of armchair critics. It’s not hard to see why only fools rush in.
Judge Magney 4 months ago
A few decades back, when I was in school, I had a summer internship with the state court system. One afternoon, while working on an office in the same area as Family Court mediation, I was at a “coordinating” meeting about court security with three armed State Troopers. Gunfire broke out in a particularly heated divorce dispute across the hall. The troopers reacted quickly. They were under the table and out of the line of fire before the rest of us understood what was happening.
Radish the wordsmith 4 months ago
The failings of the right wing gun culture, how many more children have to die before republicans will do anything?
newyorkslim 4 months ago
buck-buck-ba-caw!
s49nav 4 months ago
Unfortunately, cowardice is never in short supply in any walk of life. No area of endeavor is immune, nor will ever be. But if you respond by disarming the good guys to the cheers of the bad guys, better be prepared for what you’re going to get.
cfkelley 4 months ago
It was a Border Patrol officer who shot the killer, while local police sat on their rear ends.
dickerndicker 4 months ago
so much for the idea that the solution to US gun violence is more “good guys with guns”! oh wait, they were actually fat, cowardly pigs.
davidcdaniels9 4 months ago
I hope that a subtext of Ramirez’s picture is that we’re not seeing the forest for the trees: AR15’s make law enforcement’s job tough and mass killings easier, all the other failings and recriminations aside. Otherwise, why put the chicken in the woods?
cbgoldeneagle2 4 months ago
And that was the truth. The training for active shooter is you go in to stop the threat you do not wait! you or the team take out the shooter ASAP.
Jack7528 4 months ago
Not enough cover in the world U.P.D.
kennnyp 4 months ago
i’m not making a jugement…i’m just wondering if mike…or anyone was the first officer on the scene knowing he was going up against an automatic riffle…would you charge in there with just a hand gun… i guess my judgement would be…get rid of the automatic riffles…even if you just stopped selling them …and yes there would be a lot of them out …30 years from now ..there would be significantly less…the long view might make a diff for future generations…even if the NRA would scream and cry and withhold funding the cancun ted’s of the world…
FJB Premium Member 4 months ago
According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, an active shooter is “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.” The International Association of Chiefs of Police defines a barricaded individual as a person “who has taken a position in a physical location” that doesn’t allow immediate police access and refuses to exit or follow police commands. Inside a classroom with hostages could be a “barricaded suspect”. Also, “if you see something, say something”. Then, on the morning of the attack, Ramos sent a direct message to an individual on a Facebook platform reading: “I’m going to shoot an elementary school.”