This “civil union” stuff is nonsense. This was promoted previously by those against same-sex marriage and is the equivalent of “separate but equal” which doesn’t work. There are many things that automatically come with marriage, such as inheritance (which was the driver of the main same-sex SCOTUS case), priority in medical decisions over other family members, coverage under the spouse’s insurance, parental rights.
And Galileo Galilei was pardoned by the Catholic church in 1994, right? They’ve never exactly been good with coming to terms with any part of reality that makes them uncomfortable.
This Pope knows what happens in the real world. Next the nonsense that manustupration is a mortal sin should go, a leftover from Augustine and Manichean Dualism.
Unfortunately, the same Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals who support tRump publicly, deny the sacrament of Communion to Joe Biden for separating his personal and political stances on abortion, and continue to cover up sexually abusive priests should have no problem ignoring what the Pope said.
Actually, in the US marriage is basically a civil matter handled by each state. Religions may have their own ideas about who may marry and whether divorce is possible, but such ideas don’t impact the civil status of marriage. The exchange of vows (which is the essence of marrying) may be superintended by professional clergy, but also by various civil officers like judges, justices of the peace, ship captains, and so on. Nothing that an officiant actually says is efficacious; “I now pronounce you man and wife” or whatever is in the nature of a news bulletin, the couple would have actually been married ever since the last syllable of their vows.
lobo1939 over 3 years ago
Should include Amy Barrett in that line.
oldchas over 3 years ago
I wonder what this does to the Catholics on the SCOTUS that are so intent on overturning Obergefell v. Hodges?
Monchoxyz over 3 years ago
Do as I say not as I do.
ferddo over 3 years ago
My Catholic friends are already disturbed and confused by this Pope announcement… most of them are pretending that he never said it…
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 3 years ago
The catholic church has reached the 20th century. Maybe they’ll reach this century in another 50 years.
casonia2 over 3 years ago
Ya gotta love the hats.
morningglory73 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Jesus taught love and tolerance for all people but churchie people have rewritten the rules in their way not his.
morningglory73 Premium Member over 3 years ago
It’s the love that matters not the gender.
Durak Premium Member over 3 years ago
We’ll have to ask His Holiness how civil unions differ from the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony, performed in a Catholic Church, by a Catholic priest.
tee929 over 3 years ago
…and so far no one had died; started speaking in tongues or heads spin around on their shoulders….
crgigoux over 3 years ago
I’m sure ACB and the rest of her Kult will be screaming about how wrong the Pope is.
scote1379 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Thats one way to scare the hell out of a bunch of Red Bishops !
Nantucket Premium Member over 3 years ago
This “civil union” stuff is nonsense. This was promoted previously by those against same-sex marriage and is the equivalent of “separate but equal” which doesn’t work. There are many things that automatically come with marriage, such as inheritance (which was the driver of the main same-sex SCOTUS case), priority in medical decisions over other family members, coverage under the spouse’s insurance, parental rights.
Daeder over 3 years ago
And Galileo Galilei was pardoned by the Catholic church in 1994, right? They’ve never exactly been good with coming to terms with any part of reality that makes them uncomfortable.
VegaAlopex over 3 years ago
This Pope knows what happens in the real world. Next the nonsense that manustupration is a mortal sin should go, a leftover from Augustine and Manichean Dualism.
Jody H. Premium Member over 3 years ago
Unfortunately, the same Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals who support tRump publicly, deny the sacrament of Communion to Joe Biden for separating his personal and political stances on abortion, and continue to cover up sexually abusive priests should have no problem ignoring what the Pope said.
ANDREWSIHLER2 over 3 years ago
Actually, in the US marriage is basically a civil matter handled by each state. Religions may have their own ideas about who may marry and whether divorce is possible, but such ideas don’t impact the civil status of marriage. The exchange of vows (which is the essence of marrying) may be superintended by professional clergy, but also by various civil officers like judges, justices of the peace, ship captains, and so on. Nothing that an officiant actually says is efficacious; “I now pronounce you man and wife” or whatever is in the nature of a news bulletin, the couple would have actually been married ever since the last syllable of their vows.