not only do they want to KILL the programs, they want to take ALL of the money, turn it into a voucher that won’t cover it, privatize it, so that people have to give their vouchers to PRIVATE CORPORATIONS plus another six grand to start.
@Harolynn - “once again - Obama is cutting Medicare - Ryan is killing it.”
Just a quick correction - this is the direct opposite of what is true. Ryan has put forth the (so far) only plan under which, ten years from now, Medicare exists in any form at all.
^Nonsense. Ryan has moved the focus from delivering specific needed services to providing specific quantities of money in the form of block grants, which can be diverted from those who need it or even reduced freely, since they have no link to actual healthcare provided and are thus entirely arbitrary. That makes them one more thing to eliminate in a budget.
Healthcare in this country costs twice what it does in the second-most-expensive country in the world (the UK), and scores around 25th in quality. Medicare and Medicaid are actually tremendously effective and efficient programs, and get higher ratings by participants than private insurance companies. If we applied Medicare to all Americans, we would almost certainly reduce the costs paid by Americans today, and greatly increase effectiveness.
But the insurance industry would suffer a reduction in profits. It’s a simple fact that we have an entire industry between us and our doctors, and that’s why it costs so d@mn much. Ryan’s plan would merely increase profits for insurance companies and reduce choices and quality health care for Americans - and introduce ANOTHER level of government. In what way does this make sense?
Carolo1 about 13 years ago
Nick, Radish, Fennec- so good
Harolynne Premium Member about 13 years ago
@mdavis4183 - once again - Obama is cutting Medicare - Ryan is killing it. Do you not understand or do you not WANT to understand.
If the deficit is going to be cut, programs must be cut - but Ryan (and the Republican House in general) want to kill these programs!
Dtroutma about 13 years ago
The real block is affixed atop his shoulders.
Bluejayz about 13 years ago
Compassionate conservatism.
dannysixpack about 13 years ago
not only do they want to KILL the programs, they want to take ALL of the money, turn it into a voucher that won’t cover it, privatize it, so that people have to give their vouchers to PRIVATE CORPORATIONS plus another six grand to start.
and that’s to NOT get covered.
lindz.coop Premium Member about 13 years ago
Individualism – So much better than death panels.
pirate227 about 13 years ago
^ That money is just being transfered to cover more tax cuts for the rich.
tizzo about 13 years ago
@Harolynn - “once again - Obama is cutting Medicare - Ryan is killing it.”
Just a quick correction - this is the direct opposite of what is true. Ryan has put forth the (so far) only plan under which, ten years from now, Medicare exists in any form at all.
Motivemagus about 13 years ago
^Nonsense. Ryan has moved the focus from delivering specific needed services to providing specific quantities of money in the form of block grants, which can be diverted from those who need it or even reduced freely, since they have no link to actual healthcare provided and are thus entirely arbitrary. That makes them one more thing to eliminate in a budget. Healthcare in this country costs twice what it does in the second-most-expensive country in the world (the UK), and scores around 25th in quality. Medicare and Medicaid are actually tremendously effective and efficient programs, and get higher ratings by participants than private insurance companies. If we applied Medicare to all Americans, we would almost certainly reduce the costs paid by Americans today, and greatly increase effectiveness. But the insurance industry would suffer a reduction in profits. It’s a simple fact that we have an entire industry between us and our doctors, and that’s why it costs so d@mn much. Ryan’s plan would merely increase profits for insurance companies and reduce choices and quality health care for Americans - and introduce ANOTHER level of government. In what way does this make sense?