Trump dismisses CLIMATE SCIENCE as a “hoax,” but he filed requests for permits to shore up his low-lying resort properties against rising sea levels in Ireland and Scotland.
Just like the Big Tobacco a couple of decades earlier, Big Carbon knows the damage their products do and internal communications prove they have all the evidence about climate science. Their anti-science denials, just like Trump and just like Big Tobacco, are purely to protect their greedy short-term gains.
Richard Lindzen, who I rate as an AGW skeptic rather than a denier, because he actually does have some scientific credibility on atmospheric science (I have his book Atmospheric Dynamics ) pointed out that because of the warming at the poles, there would be less transfer of heat from the tropics toward the poles. All things being equal, that would certainly be true from basic physics. While all things are not necessarily equal, I’ll go with that bit of basic physics here.
What that assertion does imply is that the number of hurricanes that reach into higher latitudes should not increase. But it also means that hurricanes which reach higher latitudes do so because they are stronger. So, using Lindzen’s logic we can expect that the hurricanes that reach higher latitudes will be fewer, but stronger.
But that warm water in the tropics and subtropics will still give rise to storms and to hurricanes. I would expect the Gulf Coast and Florida to see more rain and storms. The east coast may also see more tropical storms, which will pick up warm water from the Gulf Stream as they near landfall. So the heavy rains will keep happening.
Geophysical fluid dynamics, by the way, means that that the Gulf Stream will remain flowing up the East Coast of North America. That part does not depend on temperature. However, what happens to the Gulf Stream after it leaves the East Coast and goes deeper into the North Atlantic is less certain. If it continues its present course, it will mean warmer weather for Britain and Ireland, and possibly Norway.
It’s actually maybe worse than that, Baslim. Some think the Gulf Stream will move in such a way that Western Europe and the UK — which currently have a climate comparable to the Northeastern US, which is substantially further south — drop DOWN into the deep freeze and start having the climate of Newfoundland.
There’s also a similar finding to the hurricane finding as regards snowfall: because temperatures are warmer, we will get less snow, but because warm air holds more moisture, when we do get snow, there will be a lot more of it. This perfectly fits recent patterns of snowfall in the Northeast – rainier winters, with occasional massive snowfalls.
^: That is one scenario for the Gulf Stream. But the northern waters will be warmer, too. Probably colder than the Gulf Stream waters. So right off hand, I don’t know what will happen. While there is concern that the great global underwater conveyer belt may break down, it would be in how mixing of the waters of different salinity, and temperatures work. Some of the great currents, like the Gulf Stream will still be present.
I read an article (in our local paper, I think) that posited that California could start feeling what hurricanes are like because of the warming waters offshore. That would certainly have the houses on the Malibu cliffs sliding into the sea.
lopaka over 5 years ago
Global warming – a “very expensive hoax”. So preacheth the trumpster.
DD Wiz Premium Member over 5 years ago
Trump dismisses CLIMATE SCIENCE as a “hoax,” but he filed requests for permits to shore up his low-lying resort properties against rising sea levels in Ireland and Scotland.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436
https://www.wisconsingazette.com/news/environment/trump-tweets-climate-change-denial-just-days-after-getting-approval/article_4d41086c-ecc7-11e7-ad80-8f7fbf09d520.html
Just like the Big Tobacco a couple of decades earlier, Big Carbon knows the damage their products do and internal communications prove they have all the evidence about climate science. Their anti-science denials, just like Trump and just like Big Tobacco, are purely to protect their greedy short-term gains.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 5 years ago
Richard Lindzen, who I rate as an AGW skeptic rather than a denier, because he actually does have some scientific credibility on atmospheric science (I have his book Atmospheric Dynamics ) pointed out that because of the warming at the poles, there would be less transfer of heat from the tropics toward the poles. All things being equal, that would certainly be true from basic physics. While all things are not necessarily equal, I’ll go with that bit of basic physics here.
What that assertion does imply is that the number of hurricanes that reach into higher latitudes should not increase. But it also means that hurricanes which reach higher latitudes do so because they are stronger. So, using Lindzen’s logic we can expect that the hurricanes that reach higher latitudes will be fewer, but stronger.
But that warm water in the tropics and subtropics will still give rise to storms and to hurricanes. I would expect the Gulf Coast and Florida to see more rain and storms. The east coast may also see more tropical storms, which will pick up warm water from the Gulf Stream as they near landfall. So the heavy rains will keep happening.
Geophysical fluid dynamics, by the way, means that that the Gulf Stream will remain flowing up the East Coast of North America. That part does not depend on temperature. However, what happens to the Gulf Stream after it leaves the East Coast and goes deeper into the North Atlantic is less certain. If it continues its present course, it will mean warmer weather for Britain and Ireland, and possibly Norway.
braindead Premium Member over 5 years ago
NOOOooo! Them hurricanes are Chinese hoaxes! Every one of them!
Radish the wordsmith over 5 years ago
Climate change caused by CO2 from coal produced the massive hurricane bearing down on the coal mining area of the country.
Karma
Motivemagus over 5 years ago
It’s actually maybe worse than that, Baslim. Some think the Gulf Stream will move in such a way that Western Europe and the UK — which currently have a climate comparable to the Northeastern US, which is substantially further south — drop DOWN into the deep freeze and start having the climate of Newfoundland.
There’s also a similar finding to the hurricane finding as regards snowfall: because temperatures are warmer, we will get less snow, but because warm air holds more moisture, when we do get snow, there will be a lot more of it. This perfectly fits recent patterns of snowfall in the Northeast – rainier winters, with occasional massive snowfalls.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 5 years ago
^: That is one scenario for the Gulf Stream. But the northern waters will be warmer, too. Probably colder than the Gulf Stream waters. So right off hand, I don’t know what will happen. While there is concern that the great global underwater conveyer belt may break down, it would be in how mixing of the waters of different salinity, and temperatures work. Some of the great currents, like the Gulf Stream will still be present.
wiatr over 5 years ago
I read an article (in our local paper, I think) that posited that California could start feeling what hurricanes are like because of the warming waters offshore. That would certainly have the houses on the Malibu cliffs sliding into the sea.