I wonder, if a police state would pay you to be under surveillance, say, 1000 dlls per week, would you have any complains? Einstein was right I guess, all is relative!
By the way I want to wrest the Armed Forces from the Pentagon, reinstate the draft, and bring about democracy to the military, i.e., give soldiers the right to vote to see if a war is worth fighting for. Vote for me! Edmond for Benevolent Dictator.
having called myself a liberal thinker for a few decades now, i can grok this cartoon. but the realist in me allows for thinking which progresses outside that box to acknowledge that even women and people of color are not without some shred of inhumanity or meanness. we are all guilty of hurtful behaviors at one point or another. it’s time to get over ourselves and see the deeper things which make us who we are.
Perhaps it’s similar to Avatar, etc. where the bad guys are always unapologetic white males. A stereotype that whites are the essence of all evil, which is absolutely baseless and stupid.
It could also point to Biblical interpretations, which place women and people of color further down on the moral totem pole.
The thing to remember, though, is that when Rall criticizes the Liberals he does so from the position of a Radical, not a Conservative.
If you don’t like the Liberal agenda, you’d be apoplectic over what Rall would put in its place. Or do you merely believe “The enemy of my enemy is my friend?”
Equal Opportunity Employment, et al, displayed as being more important than individuals properly trained to detain violent criminals. Satire even Juvenal could be proud of.
Sorry Jade but if you compare a group of homosexual women with another group of heterosexual ones, you would immediately know which one is which by looking at some members. Some individuals choose to stereotype themselves, that is, the way they look and carry themselves, to make their preference quite obvious to the members of their own sex.
Now this is a cartoon, and I might have made a wrong inference in this regard– only Ted knows. But to make an issue out of it would be missing the point, as being either a homosexual or a woman, or both at the same time, makes the cartoon message representative of a subject matter which liberals in particular care and advocate for, and in this instance seeing some advancement in issues they support, but which might blind them from seeing how this administration has failed to show a deeper sense of fairness, humanity and justice in other respects.
“Sorry Jade but if you compare a group of homosexual women with another group of heterosexual ones, you would immediately know which one is which by looking at some members. Some individuals choose to stereotype themselves, that is, the way they look and carry themselves, to make their preference quite obvious to the members of their own sex.”
As someone who hangs out with crowds of both, I’m pretty certain you’re wrong. I think trying to apply such blanket rules based on appearance will wind up with you being wrong far more often than ‘right,’ but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
“Sorry Jade but if you compare a group of homosexual women with another group of heterosexual ones, you would immediately know which one is which by looking at some members. Some individuals choose to stereotype themselves, that is, the way they look and carry themselves, to make their preference quite obvious to the members of their own sex.”
It’s a question of your pool of data. If you have a group of five lesbians, quite possibly one or more will fit the stereotype(s). If you have 50 lesbians, your number will presumably be larger. But if you have 50 straight women, quite possibly a number of them will fit the lesbian stereotype.
If you remove the 5 or 10 “most obvious” lesbians from the one group, and the 5 or 10 “most obvious” straights from the other, you’ll be left with two groups of 40-45 women that are pretty indistinguishable…
The big problem with identifying a group by its most stereotypical members is that it leads you to underestimate their numbers. You tend to think “Oh, I don’t see any Bulldykes or Swishy Queens around, therefore everyone around me is straight.” If that’s your reasoning, I can assure you you’re quite wrong.
It is not that we radicals want to put something more, shall we say, gee whiz, radical in the place of liberal drivel. We just get nauseated at the constant self-congratulatory attitude so many liberals have for accomplishing so little and thinking it is progress. I, for one, have no illusions.
Uh… OK, geniuses. The point is that liberals are defending the new American regime even though it is useless and we continue to regress into a police state. He’s exaggerating, suggesting such people would be happy in a concentration camp as long as there was diversity.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
“Your satisfaction is our eternal pursuit.” HA!
I don’t want to be pursued for eternity.
edmondd over 13 years ago
I wonder, if a police state would pay you to be under surveillance, say, 1000 dlls per week, would you have any complains? Einstein was right I guess, all is relative!
edmondd over 13 years ago
By the way I want to wrest the Armed Forces from the Pentagon, reinstate the draft, and bring about democracy to the military, i.e., give soldiers the right to vote to see if a war is worth fighting for. Vote for me! Edmond for Benevolent Dictator.
Bilword over 13 years ago
That’s a good one!
Bilword over 13 years ago
I mean Ted Rall’s cartoon. Not the comments.
radicalmom over 13 years ago
having called myself a liberal thinker for a few decades now, i can grok this cartoon. but the realist in me allows for thinking which progresses outside that box to acknowledge that even women and people of color are not without some shred of inhumanity or meanness. we are all guilty of hurtful behaviors at one point or another. it’s time to get over ourselves and see the deeper things which make us who we are.
4uk4ata over 13 years ago
^ duh. Belief, sex, race - we all equal in our ability to be insufferable idiots.
sirrom567 over 13 years ago
Ah, the blood! The bones! The facial hair! Good times.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
Perhaps it’s similar to Avatar, etc. where the bad guys are always unapologetic white males. A stereotype that whites are the essence of all evil, which is absolutely baseless and stupid.
It could also point to Biblical interpretations, which place women and people of color further down on the moral totem pole.
Metzengerstein over 13 years ago
But that guard on the left does not appear to be a woman or a man of color.
lonecat over 13 years ago
^^ Definitely a woman. I think this cartoon is a dig at liberals, and I also think it’s pretty funny.
sirrom567 over 13 years ago
The woman guard has Rall boobs. Look closely.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
^^ There’re some hints of boobage there…
edmondd over 13 years ago
it’s a Gitmo-like place, with the acceptance of homosexual women and colored people in the armed guard forces, so liberals are now satisfied.
fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago
The thing to remember, though, is that when Rall criticizes the Liberals he does so from the position of a Radical, not a Conservative.
If you don’t like the Liberal agenda, you’d be apoplectic over what Rall would put in its place. Or do you merely believe “The enemy of my enemy is my friend?”
sirrom567 over 13 years ago
Well said, fritzoid. I’m glad there’s one truly radical cartoonist.
fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago
I don’t always agree with him (pretty seldom lately, actually), but I sure like reading him…
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
“it’s a Gitmo-like place, with the acceptance of homosexual women and ”
I was unaware that a woman being string and confident in the military automatically made her homosexual.rottenprat over 13 years ago
Equal Opportunity Employment, et al, displayed as being more important than individuals properly trained to detain violent criminals. Satire even Juvenal could be proud of.
edmondd over 13 years ago
Sorry Jade but if you compare a group of homosexual women with another group of heterosexual ones, you would immediately know which one is which by looking at some members. Some individuals choose to stereotype themselves, that is, the way they look and carry themselves, to make their preference quite obvious to the members of their own sex.
Now this is a cartoon, and I might have made a wrong inference in this regard– only Ted knows. But to make an issue out of it would be missing the point, as being either a homosexual or a woman, or both at the same time, makes the cartoon message representative of a subject matter which liberals in particular care and advocate for, and in this instance seeing some advancement in issues they support, but which might blind them from seeing how this administration has failed to show a deeper sense of fairness, humanity and justice in other respects.
coot31 over 13 years ago
I’m with ahab. I believe it’s a comment on “…hope and change…” or the lack thereof.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
“Sorry Jade but if you compare a group of homosexual women with another group of heterosexual ones, you would immediately know which one is which by looking at some members. Some individuals choose to stereotype themselves, that is, the way they look and carry themselves, to make their preference quite obvious to the members of their own sex.”
As someone who hangs out with crowds of both, I’m pretty certain you’re wrong. I think trying to apply such blanket rules based on appearance will wind up with you being wrong far more often than ‘right,’ but even a broken clock is right twice a day.fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago
“Sorry Jade but if you compare a group of homosexual women with another group of heterosexual ones, you would immediately know which one is which by looking at some members. Some individuals choose to stereotype themselves, that is, the way they look and carry themselves, to make their preference quite obvious to the members of their own sex.”
It’s a question of your pool of data. If you have a group of five lesbians, quite possibly one or more will fit the stereotype(s). If you have 50 lesbians, your number will presumably be larger. But if you have 50 straight women, quite possibly a number of them will fit the lesbian stereotype.
If you remove the 5 or 10 “most obvious” lesbians from the one group, and the 5 or 10 “most obvious” straights from the other, you’ll be left with two groups of 40-45 women that are pretty indistinguishable…
The big problem with identifying a group by its most stereotypical members is that it leads you to underestimate their numbers. You tend to think “Oh, I don’t see any Bulldykes or Swishy Queens around, therefore everyone around me is straight.” If that’s your reasoning, I can assure you you’re quite wrong.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
edmondd,
You are an idiot.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
Irony, irony, all is irony!
with a Bugs Bunny accent…
edmondd over 13 years ago
^ yeah lol especially when you go all Jennifer Aniston on somebody considering the politically correct atmosphere around here
myming over 13 years ago
obviously, there is NO politically correct atmosphere around here…
edmondd over 13 years ago
My mistake. Make that: “yeah lol especially when you go all Jennifer Aniston on somebody considering the previous discussion.”
fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago
I thought the phrase was “go all Monica”, i.e. Courtney Cox. Don’t really know what it means, but that’s how I’ve heard it.
Apart from that, though, I’m with ahab.
(That Bradley Cooper guy isn’t still sniffing around her, is he? I don’t like him one bit…)
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
Since when is “irony” politically correct?. Or Bugs Bunny for that matter?
vatonaught over 13 years ago
For some reason my wife doesn’t get this one.
wmclay over 13 years ago
Ahhhh! The female guard has short hair. That’s why she’s an obvious lesbian!
Thanks for the heads up, edmondd!
badmojo over 13 years ago
It is not that we radicals want to put something more, shall we say, gee whiz, radical in the place of liberal drivel. We just get nauseated at the constant self-congratulatory attitude so many liberals have for accomplishing so little and thinking it is progress. I, for one, have no illusions.
parkersinthehouse over 13 years ago
delusions, though
kinrabe over 13 years ago
Uh… OK, geniuses. The point is that liberals are defending the new American regime even though it is useless and we continue to regress into a police state. He’s exaggerating, suggesting such people would be happy in a concentration camp as long as there was diversity.