And of course she has no clue how much is still untapped in the national oil reserve to the west. The area of the ANWR they want to destroy is a small portion, and that small portion IS the only part suitable for wildlife breeding habitat. The mountainous area also being considered for further protection has neither wildlife habitat, nor oil.
ANWR isn’t even the oil companies real target, it’s ALL refuges and protected lands, crack into the ANWR, and they get it all.
Oh, please! If Lisa cared in the slightest about energy independence, she’d be advocating increased research into alternative energy. The US will never achieve real energy independence until we kick the fossil fuel habit.
We’ve been trying to achieve energy independence since the Nixon era, and get no closer. (Espescially when Reagan removed Carter’s solar panels from the White House). Exxon-Mobil and BP have way too much sway in Washington.
According to Obama’s own words, he wants energy prices to skyrocket. How dare we want to fuel the engine that is America? He wants America to fail so that he can install a Communist dictatorship. I hope he fails.
Instead of attacks, let’s look at the more pressing issue: list in the Constitution or even current law where Obama has the authority to do this. This isn’t eminent domain. This is a states’ rights issue. I don’t agree that oil companies should receive subsidies at all, but they also shouldn’t have their operational area taken away from them. If Obama wants to push for a better energy alternative, then he needs to invest in the R&D of battery technology. He needs to invest in alternatives, first. Because cutting off the supply of a resource we currently use only causes pain to consumers and puts people out of work. That builds resentment, and only a small portion will change to a more-expensive alternative. This is where he fails as a leader: He uses the stick before he uses the carrot. Anyone who has led anyone knows that you always try to lead with the carrot first.
The best class I ever took was “Research Methodology”. The focus was to find primary sources whenever possible. In fact, I later found out that one of the secondary sources I used for my paper was incorrect (I was too cheap to buy the book for the little bit I needed from it and the book review quoted the book incorrectly).Wikipedia has been hacked / bombed and sometimes does have incorrect info, but they do try to keep it as accurate as possible.
“The majority of manufacturers offer the 25-year standard solar panel warranty, which means that power output should not be less than 80% of rated power after 25 years.”That would be degraded by 20 percent over TWENTY FIVE YEARS, not two.http://energyinformative.org/lifespan-solar-panels/
1. The north slope, where they want to drill, is the ONLY segment of the ANWR that is breeding grounds and alive with wildlife, at risk from drilling. Yes, it’s a small portion of the refuge, which is exactly why it’s so critical for habitat, yet hardly “critica” for oil, as it will produce only a few days worth of oil supply, and isn’t needed for our energy “independence”. The refuges the companies are actually mor inerested in are in our southern states like Mississippi and Louisiana, and protected areas in the southwest where they want oil/gas/ coal, and uranium.
2.A number of my devices ARE powered by solar, and the majority of my household electicity comes from hydro, not coal, natural gas, or oil. Wind and solar ARE increasing considerably, and in my county, there are three operating solar facilities, and three more are planned or in construction, and they’re already providing local power, and exporting the excess across state lines!
3. My wife’s relatives in Idaho were “farmers”, and her aunt complained that the elk came down from the mountains, where there was only seven feet of snow on the ground, to feed in their historic winter range, where their farm was located. “Why don’t they stay up in the mountains all winter where they belong?” She whined! It’s about that snow that covers all their forage in winter, where they also can’t find thermal cover to survive, and need to move down to that winter range.
Prior to European settlement, bison, elk, and pronghorn (they aren’t “antelope”), deer and other wildlife existed in uncountable numbers in what became the “lower 48”. Bighorn sheep, actually a plains animal along with grizzly bears (who used to be populace in what became Los Angeles) were nearly exterminated by habitat elimination and diseases coming from domestic livestock, just like those that infected elk and bison ranchers now want exterminated because of the Brucillosis that now threatens the very cows that originally infected them!
Fly over Farmington N.M. among other areas and see all the acrage devastated to produce gas with pads, roads, pipelines and other destruction of habitat, where domestic livestock wipes out what the gas companies didn’t “nuke”.
The sad part of the total ignorance of some of our posters here is the depressing fact they represent so many in our ignorant public who know squat about the natural world, ecology, wildlife biology, botany, soil science, chemistry, physics, hydrology, weather/clilmate, atmospheric sciences, or simple math.
“So are we all going to sit in the cold and the dark until we develop something that will work? Putz!”Your only argument is to change my argument and call me names. That tells me you got nothing.
"hat alone strengthen our bottom line while defunding terrorist and Russia. "1) Selling US oil on the world market does nothing to ensure our energy independence.2) Further research into renewable energy will do more to ensure energy independence as will energy conservation. As a bonus, conserving energy is fiscally conservative.
One of your links was to an article talking about CHEAP panels from China (You get what you pay for) and the other questioned how measurements could be made. The link I posted was “rosy” so the truth is somewhere in the middle.But then take a look at BP commercials and attempts to say there is such a thing as “clean coal”. Alternative energy should not have to tell the absolute HARD truth with worst case scenarios while fossil fuels can paint their pretty (false) pictures.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
And of course she has no clue how much is still untapped in the national oil reserve to the west. The area of the ANWR they want to destroy is a small portion, and that small portion IS the only part suitable for wildlife breeding habitat. The mountainous area also being considered for further protection has neither wildlife habitat, nor oil.
ANWR isn’t even the oil companies real target, it’s ALL refuges and protected lands, crack into the ANWR, and they get it all.
Jason Allen over 9 years ago
Oh, please! If Lisa cared in the slightest about energy independence, she’d be advocating increased research into alternative energy. The US will never achieve real energy independence until we kick the fossil fuel habit.
moosemin over 9 years ago
We’ve been trying to achieve energy independence since the Nixon era, and get no closer. (Espescially when Reagan removed Carter’s solar panels from the White House). Exxon-Mobil and BP have way too much sway in Washington.
Dave Ferro over 9 years ago
According to Obama’s own words, he wants energy prices to skyrocket. How dare we want to fuel the engine that is America? He wants America to fail so that he can install a Communist dictatorship. I hope he fails.
Odon Premium Member over 9 years ago
Serious energy conservation yields long term dividends. A far better approach to independence.
Wraithkin over 9 years ago
Instead of attacks, let’s look at the more pressing issue: list in the Constitution or even current law where Obama has the authority to do this. This isn’t eminent domain. This is a states’ rights issue. I don’t agree that oil companies should receive subsidies at all, but they also shouldn’t have their operational area taken away from them. If Obama wants to push for a better energy alternative, then he needs to invest in the R&D of battery technology. He needs to invest in alternatives, first. Because cutting off the supply of a resource we currently use only causes pain to consumers and puts people out of work. That builds resentment, and only a small portion will change to a more-expensive alternative. This is where he fails as a leader: He uses the stick before he uses the carrot. Anyone who has led anyone knows that you always try to lead with the carrot first.
Nantucket Premium Member over 9 years ago
The best class I ever took was “Research Methodology”. The focus was to find primary sources whenever possible. In fact, I later found out that one of the secondary sources I used for my paper was incorrect (I was too cheap to buy the book for the little bit I needed from it and the book review quoted the book incorrectly).Wikipedia has been hacked / bombed and sometimes does have incorrect info, but they do try to keep it as accurate as possible.
lonecat over 9 years ago
“barren tundras, devoid of life” — gosh, I didn’t realize we were drilling for oil on Mars!!
moosemin over 9 years ago
“They were installed wrong over an out house….”.Harley, WHERE did you get this “informatiom”?By the way, have you read Sunday’s “Doonesbury” yet?
Nantucket Premium Member over 9 years ago
“The majority of manufacturers offer the 25-year standard solar panel warranty, which means that power output should not be less than 80% of rated power after 25 years.”That would be degraded by 20 percent over TWENTY FIVE YEARS, not two.http://energyinformative.org/lifespan-solar-panels/
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
1. The north slope, where they want to drill, is the ONLY segment of the ANWR that is breeding grounds and alive with wildlife, at risk from drilling. Yes, it’s a small portion of the refuge, which is exactly why it’s so critical for habitat, yet hardly “critica” for oil, as it will produce only a few days worth of oil supply, and isn’t needed for our energy “independence”. The refuges the companies are actually mor inerested in are in our southern states like Mississippi and Louisiana, and protected areas in the southwest where they want oil/gas/ coal, and uranium.
2.A number of my devices ARE powered by solar, and the majority of my household electicity comes from hydro, not coal, natural gas, or oil. Wind and solar ARE increasing considerably, and in my county, there are three operating solar facilities, and three more are planned or in construction, and they’re already providing local power, and exporting the excess across state lines!
3. My wife’s relatives in Idaho were “farmers”, and her aunt complained that the elk came down from the mountains, where there was only seven feet of snow on the ground, to feed in their historic winter range, where their farm was located. “Why don’t they stay up in the mountains all winter where they belong?” She whined! It’s about that snow that covers all their forage in winter, where they also can’t find thermal cover to survive, and need to move down to that winter range.
Prior to European settlement, bison, elk, and pronghorn (they aren’t “antelope”), deer and other wildlife existed in uncountable numbers in what became the “lower 48”. Bighorn sheep, actually a plains animal along with grizzly bears (who used to be populace in what became Los Angeles) were nearly exterminated by habitat elimination and diseases coming from domestic livestock, just like those that infected elk and bison ranchers now want exterminated because of the Brucillosis that now threatens the very cows that originally infected them!
Fly over Farmington N.M. among other areas and see all the acrage devastated to produce gas with pads, roads, pipelines and other destruction of habitat, where domestic livestock wipes out what the gas companies didn’t “nuke”.
The sad part of the total ignorance of some of our posters here is the depressing fact they represent so many in our ignorant public who know squat about the natural world, ecology, wildlife biology, botany, soil science, chemistry, physics, hydrology, weather/clilmate, atmospheric sciences, or simple math.
twclix over 9 years ago
Oh yeah, I hate clean air, clean water and unspoiled wilderness, can’t stand the stuff!
superposition over 9 years ago
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016815919190254U
Jason Allen over 9 years ago
“Drill here, should have started 6 years ago, make North America energy independent!”Except that “drill here drill now” gets sold on the world market.
moosemin over 9 years ago
Oh.
Jason Allen over 9 years ago
“So are we all going to sit in the cold and the dark until we develop something that will work? Putz!”Your only argument is to change my argument and call me names. That tells me you got nothing.
Jason Allen over 9 years ago
"hat alone strengthen our bottom line while defunding terrorist and Russia. "1) Selling US oil on the world market does nothing to ensure our energy independence.2) Further research into renewable energy will do more to ensure energy independence as will energy conservation. As a bonus, conserving energy is fiscally conservative.
virago12 over 9 years ago
Have you any idea what a donkey oil pump looks like?
Nantucket Premium Member over 9 years ago
One of your links was to an article talking about CHEAP panels from China (You get what you pay for) and the other questioned how measurements could be made. The link I posted was “rosy” so the truth is somewhere in the middle.But then take a look at BP commercials and attempts to say there is such a thing as “clean coal”. Alternative energy should not have to tell the absolute HARD truth with worst case scenarios while fossil fuels can paint their pretty (false) pictures.