You have to maintain a 2.5 average, so anyone too stupid to understand the economic benefits of an educated workforce isn’t going to get the funding anyway.
Populations progress on the competence, training, and qualifications of their workforce. After WW2, the allied returning troops were mostly given the opportunity for free education and training, and the west embarked on unprecedented growth and progress. Nations that use education as a business plan for profit will slide into mediocrity as the young are unable to afford the training required for today’s highly technical workforce.
If health care and education were totally free everywhere, how would the world be different? I doubt it will ever happen. Even famous literary Utopias are portrayed as having flaws, or are oppressed by outside forces. Can there ever be human society without tensions among its members through real or merely perceived unfairness. How did humans progress other than literally or figuratively stepping on “the other guy”?
The same way elementary and high schools are paid for. This is no secret, and no one is trying to hide anything. If you want government services, you have to pay taxes.
Harley, you’re right, I do pay more taxes annually than most families make in several years. No I don’t like it, but yes I see the necessity of it. This is the price we pay for living in a reasonably civilized society. Saint Ronnie was definitely wrong, government is not the problem. It’s not the “answer” either, but it is necessary., and it has to be paid for. The interesting thing about Harley and the right wing is their steadfast denial of change (that’s by definition, of course). I am not particularly Hegelian (look it up, Harley, I’m just over educated, I guess), but the human species is undergoing massive change societally right now, and it does appear inevitable. Social media, our increasing structural reliance on other members of the species, patterns of communication and connecting technologies, the widespread global availability of fact and knowledge, these all run counter to the conservative tropes. That’s one reason the right wing and ultra right wing (such as religious fundamentalists of all persuasions ) are so upset. The times they are a changin’. Harley, I’m really Sorry for you, man, there’s nothing you can do about it
I doubt if anything will change your intransigent mind, but you can look at education as an investment in people for developing the nation’s resources. Of course, as in any investment, there is a cost which will be borne by the taxpayers according to the rules of society. The rich will pay more, which is a universal and necessary rule in a modern society. I probably pay more taxes than you do and I do it willingly because I know it is necessary for our long run welfare.
The Democrats are always looking for another opportunity to create an Entitlement and Tax away the earnings and Savings of the Productive class.
Guys like Bernie Sanders don’t even try to hide that fact any more. They have figured out that their supporters will applaud them for any proposal that drags the successful down to their level.
Why is it that the Right has no problem with the $1.6 trillion that our military activities in Afghanistan and Iraq are costing us? Both pay for education or our physical infrastructure? “We can’t afford that!”
Yup, rich and smart enough to know that taxes are necessary. And taxes to support education? Well emphatically yes, then. I happily pay for middle class education with the property taxes I pay. I’d be willing to pay to have middle class kids get more education, and you should be happy as well. At least if you’re as patriotic as I am, that is.
My GI bill payments didn’t pay all my expenses for college 50 years ago, and my son’s didn’t meet all expenses last year when he finished his program. We had to work for additional funding. Is free, and we both pay taxes toward education.
Which, speaking of education and “home schooling”, it’s obvious that some folks opposed to everything of social value, not just personal greed, were educated in one room “home schools”, in the hope (failed apparently) of earning enough to have indoor plumbing and more than one book in their library. Probably Rush Revere’s history book?
“Same way you pay for all your guns, bombs, planes, and ships that are never used but replaced every two years.”.My friends flying B-52’s that are older than their parents would really like to have some of these planes bought every two years and never used… especially since their kids will likely fly the same airframes.
Ha! Just re-read my post, which included a double negative about whether fundamentalists are all alike. I guess you have definitively proven me to be an idiot, then, who cannot even keep his negatives and double negatives straight. Guilty as charged!
“Government money comes from the evil rich, those 1% who have all the money, ".And so it goes around, in the form of farm subsidies (mostly to the corporate-owned mechanical farms), credits to WalMart, General Electric, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc., pork projects that benefit a few (bridge to nowhere) and bail-out for financial firms that overreach. Only nowadays, the rest of us are out of this loop.
Ah, more ignorance on display. Unless you count those shells in the boneyard, the only operational B-52s are in Minot AFB, North Dakota and Barksdale AFB, Louisiana. but please do enlighten me with your military expertise.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
^Even with only that AA in his hand, he’ll end up paying more in taxes back than with your GED?
Michael Peterson Premium Member over 9 years ago
You have to maintain a 2.5 average, so anyone too stupid to understand the economic benefits of an educated workforce isn’t going to get the funding anyway.
Gypsy8 over 9 years ago
Populations progress on the competence, training, and qualifications of their workforce. After WW2, the allied returning troops were mostly given the opportunity for free education and training, and the west embarked on unprecedented growth and progress. Nations that use education as a business plan for profit will slide into mediocrity as the young are unable to afford the training required for today’s highly technical workforce.
emptc12 over 9 years ago
If health care and education were totally free everywhere, how would the world be different? I doubt it will ever happen. Even famous literary Utopias are portrayed as having flaws, or are oppressed by outside forces. Can there ever be human society without tensions among its members through real or merely perceived unfairness. How did humans progress other than literally or figuratively stepping on “the other guy”?
lonecat over 9 years ago
The same way elementary and high schools are paid for. This is no secret, and no one is trying to hide anything. If you want government services, you have to pay taxes.
twclix over 9 years ago
Harley, you’re right, I do pay more taxes annually than most families make in several years. No I don’t like it, but yes I see the necessity of it. This is the price we pay for living in a reasonably civilized society. Saint Ronnie was definitely wrong, government is not the problem. It’s not the “answer” either, but it is necessary., and it has to be paid for. The interesting thing about Harley and the right wing is their steadfast denial of change (that’s by definition, of course). I am not particularly Hegelian (look it up, Harley, I’m just over educated, I guess), but the human species is undergoing massive change societally right now, and it does appear inevitable. Social media, our increasing structural reliance on other members of the species, patterns of communication and connecting technologies, the widespread global availability of fact and knowledge, these all run counter to the conservative tropes. That’s one reason the right wing and ultra right wing (such as religious fundamentalists of all persuasions ) are so upset. The times they are a changin’. Harley, I’m really Sorry for you, man, there’s nothing you can do about it
Gypsy8 over 9 years ago
I doubt if anything will change your intransigent mind, but you can look at education as an investment in people for developing the nation’s resources. Of course, as in any investment, there is a cost which will be borne by the taxpayers according to the rules of society. The rich will pay more, which is a universal and necessary rule in a modern society. I probably pay more taxes than you do and I do it willingly because I know it is necessary for our long run welfare.
Mephistopheles over 9 years ago
The Democrats are always looking for another opportunity to create an Entitlement and Tax away the earnings and Savings of the Productive class.
Guys like Bernie Sanders don’t even try to hide that fact any more. They have figured out that their supporters will applaud them for any proposal that drags the successful down to their level.
I Play One On TV over 9 years ago
“If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.”
DrDon1 over 9 years ago
Why is it that the Right has no problem with the $1.6 trillion that our military activities in Afghanistan and Iraq are costing us? Both pay for education or our physical infrastructure? “We can’t afford that!”
oneoldhat over 9 years ago
bho said the kids will have to " work for it" // he is helping Hillary by getting her free campaign help
twclix over 9 years ago
Yup, rich and smart enough to know that taxes are necessary. And taxes to support education? Well emphatically yes, then. I happily pay for middle class education with the property taxes I pay. I’d be willing to pay to have middle class kids get more education, and you should be happy as well. At least if you’re as patriotic as I am, that is.
Dtroutma over 9 years ago
My GI bill payments didn’t pay all my expenses for college 50 years ago, and my son’s didn’t meet all expenses last year when he finished his program. We had to work for additional funding. Is free, and we both pay taxes toward education.
Which, speaking of education and “home schooling”, it’s obvious that some folks opposed to everything of social value, not just personal greed, were educated in one room “home schools”, in the hope (failed apparently) of earning enough to have indoor plumbing and more than one book in their library. Probably Rush Revere’s history book?
braindead Premium Member over 9 years ago
It is beyond me why Republicans/Fox “news” viewers are so opposed to improving the United States.
They do not want people to get health care.
They do not want people to be educated.
They do not want more jobs for people.
I honestly do not get it. I guess hatred of Obama trumps everything else.
Anweir88 over 9 years ago
“Same way you pay for all your guns, bombs, planes, and ships that are never used but replaced every two years.”.My friends flying B-52’s that are older than their parents would really like to have some of these planes bought every two years and never used… especially since their kids will likely fly the same airframes.
twclix over 9 years ago
Ha! Just re-read my post, which included a double negative about whether fundamentalists are all alike. I guess you have definitively proven me to be an idiot, then, who cannot even keep his negatives and double negatives straight. Guilty as charged!
moosemin over 9 years ago
“Government money comes from the evil rich, those 1% who have all the money, ".And so it goes around, in the form of farm subsidies (mostly to the corporate-owned mechanical farms), credits to WalMart, General Electric, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc., pork projects that benefit a few (bridge to nowhere) and bail-out for financial firms that overreach. Only nowadays, the rest of us are out of this loop.
oneoldhat over 9 years ago
pick a few degrees to be funded // we do not need someone with an assoc in art history
Anweir88 over 9 years ago
Ah, more ignorance on display. Unless you count those shells in the boneyard, the only operational B-52s are in Minot AFB, North Dakota and Barksdale AFB, Louisiana. but please do enlighten me with your military expertise.