Everyone who gets into that office is a moron to someone. I’m not too pleased with some of his decisions, but I also recognize that getting out is a whole lot harder than getting into a war.
I watched the 17-minute version yesterday, and it made me sick to see the video-game mentality of it all. And not distinguishing the difference between a camera and a weapon is in the same mindset as the cops who mistook a wallet for a handgun and let loose a barrage of 41 bullets – for which, like the helicopter cowboys, they got off scot-free.
Who mentioned anything about Iran? And where is it written that the United States gets to decide who gets nuclear weapons? Considering that the United States has used nuclear weapons in anger TWICE on CIVILIAN populations, I don’t think it’s a good idea for the United States to walk and chew gum at the same time.
to Lavocat… Yes the U.S used nuclear weapons twice..IN a war that was not going to end quickly if standard military tactics were used.. Remember also that NO ONE has used nuclear weapons against ANY target since. Can we be certain that a regime that is using 13th century religious dogma to stir up its civilian population is going to practice that same restraint ?? Hoping that it DOES is not prudent. Now I don’t respect, let alone trust, any political leader in that part of the world. Most consider the offer of negotiation as a sign of weakness and use it as propoganda to stay in power.
One of the best kids I’ve ever known was killed on HER second tour in Iraq- not just sons. Nagasaki was more about testing a second bomb design than tactical need. War is not good for children or other living things.
What IS the “moral” problem with taking out a few “leaders” or outlaws with snipers, or covertly, as opposed to killing hundreds of thousands of people because their “leaders” are spherical sphincters?
“Yes the U.S used nuclear weapons twice..IN a war that was not going to end quickly if standard military tactics were used.”
The Japanese government was already TRYING to surrender. Their efforts were ignored until after Fat Man and Little Boy belly flopped on two small cites.
But everybody loves fireworks.
And no, I’m not defending the Japanese war in East Asia, or the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Most of the Japanese war criminals went unpunished. Go fig…
As a guy who was pissed off that the “him” in “we got him” was Saddam and not Osama Bin Laden, I think our opportunity to get out of Iraq was sometime in 1992-93 or 2002-03.
2005-06 saw elections in Iraq that created political uncertainty as a coalition gov’t took forever to form. That left room for insurgents to rise and 2006 was just about the bleeping-ist year in Iraq which required “The Surge.”
A surge whose success Sen. Obama rejected because he rejected the premise that we should have been there in the first place. (I agree with him)
But now here we are as election uncertainity reigns again and we have no idea when a coalition will form so yes, pulling out before we blow our wad is a bad idea as birth control and strategy in Iraq.
Israel is a functioning democracy, Egypt sort of and getting more liberal by the day, and Jordan is a constitutional monarchy that elects a Parliament.
Whereas the U.S. might actually be better off at times if it had a parliamentary system rather than a strong executive, a country like Israel is the opposite – the small right-wing parties whose cooperation is needed to form a coalition government repeatedly stymie the desire of the majority to stop the BS and make progress on the peace front.
Obama is advocating invading Iran? Boy, Rall really has to reach to invent a villain nowadays. Ted must cry himself to sleep every night missing George Bush.
Obama and his Programmers are contradicting our security goals and inviting nuclear weapon escalation all over the world; while he claims he is ushering in a new era of “peace and security” and cooperation among the governments and peoples of the world.
rottenprat about 14 years ago
Uncle Sam is addicted to killing our children?
SuperGriz about 14 years ago
Collateral damage.
Charles Brobst Premium Member about 14 years ago
THIS President is not the one crazy for starting wars he can’t finish.
Richard Howland-Bolton Premium Member about 14 years ago
Rall must really be missing Dubya
Lavocat about 14 years ago
cabrobst: No, THIS president IS crazy enough to continue the illegal wars of his predecessor.
avarner about 14 years ago
Well you have got to give him credit. He sure took the wars off of the front page.
It’s hard to believe that after both Bush’s & Clinton - we elected another moron.
We are not too bright…..
cdward about 14 years ago
Everyone who gets into that office is a moron to someone. I’m not too pleased with some of his decisions, but I also recognize that getting out is a whole lot harder than getting into a war.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
Will a daughter do?
mattro65 about 14 years ago
We must protect our overseas corporate assets.
sirrom567 about 14 years ago
I watched the 17-minute version yesterday, and it made me sick to see the video-game mentality of it all. And not distinguishing the difference between a camera and a weapon is in the same mindset as the cops who mistook a wallet for a handgun and let loose a barrage of 41 bullets – for which, like the helicopter cowboys, they got off scot-free.
killbillvs007 about 14 years ago
@Bruce
That sounds like the logic of the birth control method that netted my parents 9 pregnancies.
Lavocat about 14 years ago
Who mentioned anything about Iran? And where is it written that the United States gets to decide who gets nuclear weapons? Considering that the United States has used nuclear weapons in anger TWICE on CIVILIAN populations, I don’t think it’s a good idea for the United States to walk and chew gum at the same time.
AJLCAB about 14 years ago
to Lavocat… Yes the U.S used nuclear weapons twice..IN a war that was not going to end quickly if standard military tactics were used.. Remember also that NO ONE has used nuclear weapons against ANY target since. Can we be certain that a regime that is using 13th century religious dogma to stir up its civilian population is going to practice that same restraint ?? Hoping that it DOES is not prudent. Now I don’t respect, let alone trust, any political leader in that part of the world. Most consider the offer of negotiation as a sign of weakness and use it as propoganda to stay in power.
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
One of the best kids I’ve ever known was killed on HER second tour in Iraq- not just sons. Nagasaki was more about testing a second bomb design than tactical need. War is not good for children or other living things.
What IS the “moral” problem with taking out a few “leaders” or outlaws with snipers, or covertly, as opposed to killing hundreds of thousands of people because their “leaders” are spherical sphincters?
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
“in the same mindset as the cops who mistook a wallet for a handgun and let loose a barrage of 41 bullets”
Haven’t you seen that Snoop Dog video game? Black men are always armed and dangerous. They were protecting themselves when they shot him 41 times.bradwilliams about 14 years ago
I find this in rather poor taste. This is in the same realm of the crazies that protest at military funerals.
Funerals are off limits to civilized people.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 14 years ago
Any nation using nukes is like Quebec separating;
Go ahead with it and you’l be a banana republic without bananas in a day, threaten to do it and the entire world will kiss your butt.
New Sooky up…but you almost have to be canadian to get it.
SuperGriz about 14 years ago
“Yes the U.S used nuclear weapons twice..IN a war that was not going to end quickly if standard military tactics were used.”
The Japanese government was already TRYING to surrender. Their efforts were ignored until after Fat Man and Little Boy belly flopped on two small cites.
But everybody loves fireworks.
And no, I’m not defending the Japanese war in East Asia, or the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Most of the Japanese war criminals went unpunished. Go fig…
killbillvs007 about 14 years ago
@Bruce,
I’m not arguing for staying there forever,
As a guy who was pissed off that the “him” in “we got him” was Saddam and not Osama Bin Laden, I think our opportunity to get out of Iraq was sometime in 1992-93 or 2002-03.
2005-06 saw elections in Iraq that created political uncertainty as a coalition gov’t took forever to form. That left room for insurgents to rise and 2006 was just about the bleeping-ist year in Iraq which required “The Surge.”
A surge whose success Sen. Obama rejected because he rejected the premise that we should have been there in the first place. (I agree with him)
But now here we are as election uncertainity reigns again and we have no idea when a coalition will form so yes, pulling out before we blow our wad is a bad idea as birth control and strategy in Iraq.
killbillvs007 about 14 years ago
also,
Israel is a functioning democracy, Egypt sort of and getting more liberal by the day, and Jordan is a constitutional monarchy that elects a Parliament.
Lavocat about 14 years ago
AJLCAB: Yes, it would be irresponsible not to engage in panties-wetting speculation [obligatory eye roll].
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Killbill- you might want to ask a few Palestinians, AND Jews who oppose Netanyahu how “functional” that “democracy” really is.
Lt_Lanier about 14 years ago
Obama, a new kind of thug.
sirrom567 about 14 years ago
Whereas the U.S. might actually be better off at times if it had a parliamentary system rather than a strong executive, a country like Israel is the opposite – the small right-wing parties whose cooperation is needed to form a coalition government repeatedly stymie the desire of the majority to stop the BS and make progress on the peace front.
wmclay about 14 years ago
Obama is advocating invading Iran? Boy, Rall really has to reach to invent a villain nowadays. Ted must cry himself to sleep every night missing George Bush.
NoFearPup about 14 years ago
Obama and his Programmers are contradicting our security goals and inviting nuclear weapon escalation all over the world; while he claims he is ushering in a new era of “peace and security” and cooperation among the governments and peoples of the world.
What an idiot - or bunch of idiots.