Lisa Benson for January 05, 2014

It’s warm, It must be GW. Cold? GW. Delightful Spring day. GW. drought? Yup…GW. EVERY thing points to GW…in the Chicken Little Religion.

Loser Lisa once again doesn’t realize that with climate change predictions, it IS factored in.

Gee, it’s below freezing in Antactica, so global warming must be a myth. Uh huh. If it warmed enough to melt Antartica, chances are everyone would be dead. That’s not what it’s about.

Ms. Benson proves that there are still professions (?) that one can pursue even if one has neither knowledge of the relevant facts nor intelligence to evaluate the evidence. America’s a great country; you can always find an audience that allows you to be a cartoonist (or pundit on Fox, for that matter) and pontificate about things you have no understanding of. (And, I use ‘pontificate’ with apologies to the current Pontiff.)

So as the mile thick ice pack ON the Antarctic continent melts and thins, there becomes MORE pack ice on the ocean AROUND the continent.The VOLUME of the ice pack is decreasing, even as the AREA covered increases.

Liberal definition: Always hurting those more severely they’re “trying” to help than if they had just left well enough alone. .http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11181470.Libs would do less damage if they would just mind their own business.

Too bad they are using a term that has been outdated in most scientist vocabulary for years. Climate change would be better accepted.

What I have read and seen shows the Climate is changing. Over the last decade, more and more people whose jobs are effected by climate are coming to the same conclusion. It appears that those with the power to make positive changes are choosing not to do so. This will certainly give those who disagree with folks like me time to either be proven right, or, have their own minds changed as the severity and variations of weather impacts their own lives.I truly hope those who call folks like me, ‘fools’, are right. Global ‘Harming" due to Climate Change seems to be making bad things worse all over the planet. I would like to see the deniers be right on this. I just don’t think they are, and am sad our gov’t and people are not more willing to do more to combat the pace of this global disaster.Respectfully,C.

Please teach us the truth, Overtaxed. I’m open to reading both sides. I have no trouble finding scientific articles that support the theory of global climate change, but I haven’t found scientific articles showing that the theory is wrong. Could you point them out for us, please?

No one denies Climate change. The question is: Is this caused by man? The answer is no. Look at history. The climate has been constantly changing for thousands of years. That is why we refer to the last ice age as “the last ice age.” The earth has experienced many ice ages. And in between these ice ages the earth has experienced “Global Warming.” It appears to be cyclical. It has been going on long before the internal combustion engine. Get real folks.

Great stuff!

benson and reality are two words never uttered in the same sentence by rational people. To you I say this. Global Warming is like a cancer. If it were only a possibility, would you ignore it until it became a fact, or would you proactively take steps to limit or even stop it altogether? The wise will act, the foolish will react. I choose to be wise. You?

Congrats on ad hominem followed by ad populum, followed by a quick and paranoid dismissal of all research on basis of those doing it having an education in the field.

Yes as a matter of fact after your dismissal of research there is nothing but emotion to go on. Really good conclusion, AGW can not exist on basis that those whom believe it does exist can’t actually prove it does exist as they will prove it does exist.

As for structural engineering, I would consider that to be a false comparision, as engineering is NOT science, you do not build multiple buildings for years and see which collapses. Engineering is the application of sciences, does it require one to be aware of the science of what they are doing, absolutely. But no engineering does not prove, or disprove anything

As for final remark I’m afraid you have lost me

Al gore came along quite awhile after the theory of climate change, yet it seems most of those whom do not believe in the theory wrongly attribute it to him.

Final comment. It would seem that many editorial cartoons have lost their creativity in regards to climate change, on both sides of spectrum

Okay, if you claim the “global warming scam” isn’t science, then show me the science. I keep asking, but I don’t get an answer.

We used to have a real scientist here — fennec — but she got booted off. I think there are a few others, as well. I’m not a scientist, I’m literary scholar, but I try to read the science as much as I can. The basic outlines are not that hard, but the technical stuff gets kind of technical.

Ice in Antarctica during winter? Yep, that proves that there’s no global warming…

Kind of like “Fiddling while Rome burns” Hope it works out for them.

“….if a single surface is larger, the volume MUST be larger, that’s a mathematical fact”

Um, no.

Let’s stick with boxes – much easier. V=L * W * D, right?

So, L = 1, W = 1, D = 6, V=6.

If L=2, W=2, D=1, V=4

And therefore. larger area does not imply larger volume.

What? By simply calling it a theory makes it possible for you to dismiss the evidence? Lady, call it what it is, climate change, not global warming. You can play word games all you like, that doesn’t change the fact that bad things are happening to the world’s climate and WE are the cause. And people like YOU make it worse. We need to find solutions. Solutions that will make it possible for us to live comfortable lives as well as maintain the planet. Is that so hard? Is that so difficult? Is it something we can’t live with? Quit playing word games and use your clever little pictures to help, rather than make things worse.

1. “Climate change caused by Man” has been the issue since at least the 1950’s, looking at total climate impacts, and laws changed, and changed the models.

2. The evidence is irrefutable that Man IS causing the problem and that constant claim of “chicken little” by the deniers ignores the fact that all the models put the most dramatic changes out to 2050, 2100, or even 2200 A.D..

There ARE already serious consequences of the changes, and that’s why sound science, and common sense, says we need to make more changes than those under the “Clean Air Act”, “Clean Water Act” and apply NEPA and other laws, with amendments to stop further near-term (50 years) harm.

The moment anyone injects a political cause and effect, like “socialist”, into their statement, they demonstrate their total ignorance, and lack of standing in the “debate”, which isn’t a debate at all. Yes, one can “debate” the boiling point temperature of water based on altitude, but that at a certain altitude that temperature is scientifically provable, doesn’t mean a variance, is error or “political ploy”.

Thanks for alerting me to this site, which is full of information. Here are a couple of passages quoted from the site:+“After a cool Arctic summer, sea ice at the North Pole has recovered somewhat from last year’s record low extent. While this is a welcome pause in the downward trend of sea ice extent, some are taking it a step further and hailing this rebound as evidence that the Arctic is no longer warming. But does the recent uptick mean that we have entered a period of global cooling? NSIDC scientists point out why we shouldn’t be reading too much into one summer of less sea ice decline.NSIDC scientists Julienne Stroeve and Ted Scambos indicated that a cooler summer prevented the dramatic ice melt seen in previous record years. Scambos added that the recovery could have been even more robust, saying, “The increase in sea ice extent in 2013 is in fact rather modest, considering the cool conditions that prevailed in the Arctic this summer.”As well, the Arctic ice is still very thin. “The ice cover is still much thinner, even thinner than last year, and ice volume remains far lower than it was in the 1990s,” Scambos said. So despite the growth in extent, the overall condition and resilience of the year-to-year ice pack is still tenuous.”http://nsidc.org/icelights/2013/09/16/are-we-cooling/

“Scientists think that the recent ice shelf collapses in both the Arctic and Antarctica are related to climate change. Most of the rapidly retreating ice shelves in Antarctica are located on the Antarctic Peninsula. The Antarctic Peninsula juts north towards South America, into warmer waters. The peninsula has warmed 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees Fahrenheit) since 1950, making it one of the fastest-warming places on Earth.Scientists attributed rapid ice shelf collapse to warmer air and water temperatures, as well as increased melt on the ice shelf surface. Retreating sea ice may also play a role.Warm air melts the ice shelf surface, forming ponds of meltwater. As the water trickles down through small cracks in the ice shelf, it deepens, erodes, and expands those cracks. In a separate process, warmer water melts the ice shelf from below, thinning it and making it more vulnerable to cracking. Scientists have observed both processes in all the ice shelves that have rapidly retreated in recent years.+However, warm temperatures alone do not fully explain rapid ice shelf collapse. Recent research suggests that waning sea ice surrounding the Antarctic Peninsula and the Arctic ice shelves in Canada might also have contributed to the recent collapses. Sea ice provides a layer of protection between an ice shelf and the surrounding ocean, muting the power of large waves and storms. As sea ice decreases, more waves buffet the ice shelves. The largest waves can buckle and bend an ice shelf, increasing instability and possibly contributing to a collapse.”http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/iceshelves.html+In other words, this site is firmly supportive of the theory of global climate change. Thanks.

I have no idea why fennec was banned. She was one of the smartest voices here. I learned a lot from her in the time that she posted here. This site is much less interesting without her.

flagged proudcon: “How quaint, a liberal masquerading as a conservative. Flag.”

Erm. Reverse-psychology gone mad. Ima is so off the wall that libertarians and extreme right-wing folks view him/her as a caricature of conservatism, even when Ima displays a semblance of humanity when objecting to the exploititive image of a man falling from one of the twin towers to his death.Flag away, suits us all; bite each others’ heads off. Cool.

I keep asking those who don’t believe in global climate change to post scientific links to support their position. denis 1112 posted a link to the National Snow and Ice Data Center in order to refer to a map which shows that the area of antarctic sea ice has increased in recent decades. He’s right. But he seems not to have noticed this organization is firmly in support of the theory of global climate change. So this contribution which was intended to cast doubt on the idea of global climate change actually supports it.

My mistake…I was wrong to think you could see the irony.

I don’t think cjsm is on the right. He did miss Michael’s point, however.

Quipps." speed has never killed a human, even at 27,000 miles per hour, it’s always the sudden stop.

Adrian: do three college and university degrees in the biological sciences, plus 30+ years of participating in, or conducting, field research enough to constitute a “scientist”??

Where does skepticism end? Do you grant the heliocentric model of the solar system? Or do you remain skeptical? Do you doubt that Galileo saw the moons of Jupiter? Or do you remain skeptical? Do you grant the validity of the theory of evolution? Or do you remain skeptical?

I’m just talking about the temperature rise necessary to raise the entire ice pack above freezing for a long enough time to melt the ice. If global temperatures increased that much it would make most of the planet uninhabitable.

“Constitute” is one of a group of words derived from the Latin “statuere” — others are “institute” and “prostitute” — “statuere” means “to set” or “to place” — so etymologically “constitute” means “to set together”; thus in your example, lime and sand set together make mortar. (Of course words are not bound to their etymological meanings.) “Prostitute” means “to set [something] before” — as on display for sale. I don’t see where Doctor Warbucks gets the meaning “to cook up”.

lonecat said “I don’t see where Doctor Warbucks gets the meaning “to cook up”.”

I often see evidence of the Phds lonecat, DrC, fennec and others have worked for; the quality & content of their posts clearly show this. You, Doctor Warbucks, not so much. What I do quite often see in your posts is blind adherence to an ideology that allows nothing else. Well, hate appears to be welcome.

flake says, “Warmists don’t know or care about climate, the goal is to take your money and tell you what to do.”+That’s easy. Watch how easy: “Deniers don’t know or care about climate, the goal is to protect the coal companies, their right to pollute the environment, and their profits.”+I put that in quotation marks because I don’t myself make that claim; I’m just showing how easy it is to make that kind of ad hominem argument. But wouldn’t it be better to argue evidence rather than interests? If you’ve got evidence that shows that climate change isn’t happening, let us see it. If you don’t have that evidence, what is the value of your comments?

We, Wifey and I , took a cruise to Alaska.The US Park Ranger spoke! An explorer scouted the face of the Glacier about 1700! That is approximately THE YEAR SEVENTEEN HUNDRED SEVETEEN HUNDRED, AND THE FACE OF THE THEN GLACIER barely INDICATED THE BAY WHICH WOULD APPEAR AS THE 17,000 YEAR OLD CLIMATE WARMING had affected the GLACIER THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY EXTENDED AALL THE WAY TO SEATTLE.

I WISH YOU SELF “CONGRATULATED” INTELLIGENCIA WERE EVEN SMART ENUFF TO BE EMBARRASSED!

The climate has been changing 20,000 yearsLike the inept Obama Care enforcers cannot be fired, you are impervious to truth and real Reality! And like concrete are all mixed up and minds thouroughly set!

I forgot to add, no chance of the facts embarrassing you!

Just why do Libs worship falsehoods?

Way to go LISA!