Matt Bors for October 17, 2012

oh, they’re a lot uglier than beans!

Trout, You think women are uglier than beans? Are you in the Taliban or something?

My question is…when do we guys have rights? I got my “birth control taking” girlfriend pregnant in high school and she had an abortion, but I had no say, but had to pay. I look back and wish I could have met my kid but find solace in that it probably wasn’t mine. A year later, another guy got her pregnant and he wanted an abortion, but she refused and made his life a living hell. So again, why do we take fathers out of the equation? Don’t fathers have rights?

His hell made my passive decision easier to process. Although my first combat tour made me doubt the abortion was a good idea (dying with no kids etc), my family since then has brought me great joy being a dad. I think it is something we need to discuss as a society…what roles do fathers have?

I´d assume they would become child shaped first.

I want to know what penalties Ryan would invoke on women getting abortions, doctors providing them, and would fathers of aborted fetuses suffer any penalties.Several thousand years of man’s inhumanity to women, coupled with ongoing inhumanity to women, makes me, as a male, unqualified to make a decision regarding a woman’s personal health care choices. This is an IMPOSSIBLE issue for government in this current economy and social environment. Let’s make this a country where children who are already alive are loved, educated, loved, kept healthy, loved, and inspired. Give me 5 years of a nation like that, and I can start talking about intelligently drafted legislation on abortion. Btw, did I mention our children who are alive and out of the womb need love?Respectfully,C.If you are really bored, my extensive 20 page essay on this is still under Clay Bennett’s Oot 15 cartoon.

The answer is simple: “If you have no brain you have a right to live. If you have a brain you have no rights to your own body (unless of course you vote our way).”.

“We should have the right to demand an abortion or opt out of the whole sordid mess.”You already have the right to opt out of the whole sordid mess. You can abstain or wear a condom. You choose to give up that right every time you have unprotected sex.

Ortho says, “You Leftists have filled this country with pornography.” Right, did you know that when you register in the Democratic party you get a free subscription to Penthouse? It’s sold only to liberals. No conservative has ever looked at a dirty picture.

There has never been a time when pre-marital or extra-marital sex did not exist. It is not new, and while it is true that pornography is more accessible than ever before, teen pregnancies are actually down. I attribute this to the fact that teenage boys can sit at home watching porn instead of fulfilling their urges with a partner. (I will admit that what is available now is more disturbing and does instill harmful images about what sex is, but that is a different discussion)My question to the anti-abortion crowd is this: Are you willing to increase welfare funding to accommodate the extra population? Most of these will be born to low income parents, who will take advantage of tax credits and welfare programs. The rest of us will need to help support them, perhaps their entire lives if job opportunities do not increase for them. Without Roe v. Wade, by right wing estimates our population may be at least 400 million now, perhaps quite a bit higher now that 2 generations have come of parenting age since then (perhaps 500 to 700 million). How do we pay for them? How do we feed them? If life starts at conception, why assume it ends at birth?

Sr Nonliberal: Have you ever seen an early first trimester fetus? Ugly little things, tails, gills, all weird little parts that look like something from another planet, like well, the “alien” bursting from folks’ chests.

Does Ryan endorse the Saudi answer for women who have sex, and “betray” their families and “menfolk”; beheading?? After all, Saudi Arabia is our “best friend” in the Muslim world, and Wahabbi Islam folks aren’t “radical” because they’re from Saudi Arabia, a civilized culture. Oh, wait a minute, bin Laden and most of his “crew” were Saudi.

Harry: Your story is NOT uncommon for the era, or even today in some states, and in some cases, the tragedy was even greater. I knew people with your same experience.

The old “chicken or egg” thought IS prevalent in Paul Ryan’s stated position, but it is " Which comes first, the woman or her egg?" With Ryan, it’s the egg. That philosophy has killed many women, around the world, and here, but MEN continue to argue their point.(successfully)

Thank you, Harry. It is so much easier to pass judgement when you’re not the one involved in the decision.

“Murdering an unborn is never a decision that anyone has the right to make”.-So, I guess you won’t be voting for this guy:-

And it is why I’m not surprised by the recent revelation that out spoken defender of family values and hardcore “pro-life” Tennessee Congressman Scott DesJarlais was taped encouraging one of his four mistresses to abort his unborn child. -DesJarlais was one of those guys with a 100 percent pro-life record and 100 percent pro-family record who probably deserved another 10 points in extra credit on each category. And he got those ratings and endorsements from the Christian right after his first divorce and despite the fact that, as we now know, he had four mistresses and was pushing one to abort his child. -From a Huffington post blog contributor.-Wonder what John Ensign is doing these days.

I Matt Bors. I poignant. Killing = Inconveniencing. Clap for me. Me brilliant.

The simple truth is nobody knows where human life begins, and in fact we can’t even agree on what “human” life is. The right contends that life begins at conception. but conception doesn’t occur unless the egg and sperm are both already alive. I know some are against destroying eggs. I’m waiting patiently for those who are against destroying sperm.

Until our country is financially and structurally sound enough to properly care for children who are already born, whether they are one hour old or one century old, this subject is irrelevant. Retroactive abortion is also wrong. The abortion doctor shot while welcoming people to his church was a retroactive abortion. The woman who dies in childbirth because she was told she couldn’t have an abortion is an unnecessary retroactive abortion. The man born in poverty to parents unable to love him, a society unable to educate him, and a neighborhood that taught him to kill to survive gets a death penalty he probably deserves…but it is a retroactive abortion. The people dying because their workplace was unsafe, or the bridge gave out, they couldn’t afford healthcare….all of these are retroactive abortions in that they were living things that didn’t have to die at that time, and in that way.I still want to know what penalties Ryan feels should be levied against doctors performing abortions and the women involved and will the fathers be included in legislation?And one more quick note…I sympathize with the pro life commentators despite what I’ve written here and above. I do not sympathize with ANY who use this topic to revile and insult one another. I know women who cry for the child they aborted, and other women who cried for the children they feel they failed.It is tragic and painful and beating each other sefl righteously with our positions is just wrong.My compliments to those whose posts seem to recognize this.Respectfully,C.

thanks to p90x ryan, that soup kitchen is now losing a lot of donors. he didn’t clean dirty dishes or dirty pans, he cleaned clean pots and pans. and, he wasn’t even invited. he creates more problems than he solves. plus, mistaking weeden from mccoy, even with their names on the jersey. picking wisconsin to beat ohio state doesn’t do well in a swing state of ohio. i also heard, that he might even lose his house seat.