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  1. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    From where I sit we don’t NEED a Climate policy; and that is regardless of whether or not the earth is actually warming.
    Any government policy intent on reducing greenhouse gasses will lower the standard of living for EVERYONE in the United States and have very little actual benefit because those gasses will continue to be produced wholesale everywhere else in the world.

    If the government does nothing AND the Scientists’ worst predictions come true – The seas will rise and storms will become more intense. A better approach to those problems are: 1) Adapt to a higher sea level i.e. Dikes, and other water control measures, 2) Build more durable housing.
    Both of these measures can be done WITHOUT forcing everyone in the United States to reduce their standard of living in a Quixotesque attempt.

    China, Mexico, Brazil, Russia, are all burning Fossil Fuels at accelerated rates and stealing the jobs from this country where we have made factory operation too difficult with excessive regulations and increased costs on Energy.

  2. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, almost 3 years ago

    @Mephistopheles

    There are positive things government can do, too, you know.
    Fund research into clean energy, as we used to (and got the solar energy industry started before Reagan cut it and the Germans and Japanese bought our tech). If it’s good, the Chinese will buy from US. Also: fusion.
    Help people install solar panels on their homes, which decreases energy load and dependence on foreign fuels
    Ditto for better insulation and homes.
    Fund research into carbon scrubbing tech, which China is indeed working on themselves – which, if successful, would have the double benefit of allowing us to use coal to stretch our fossil fuel supplies until we get something better.
    Support small, entrepreneurial businesses (instead of just big ones) just starting out.
    NONE of those things lower our standard of living. NONE of those things would send jobs overseas and would build up our economy.
    Right now, we are one of the only countries in the world refusing to look at these problems, because we have the only country with a major party refusing to even accept that AGW is happening. Germany’s shutting down its nuclear reactors! What could we be doing?

  3. Stipple

    Stipple said, almost 3 years ago

    “secret treaties”

    What? Do they include Elvis and the aliens?
    Conspiracies to end the world as we know it, great contribution.
    Next time at least try and make it amusing, straight up dumb does not entertain very well.

  4. nordwonder

    nordwonder said, almost 3 years ago

    @Mephistopheles

    Yeah, if one guys smoking up the room, we should all smoke. Onle 30 million people were displaced by climate change last year: http://bit.ly/1coMFVB. No need for government intervention when these displacements start to cause civil disruption.

  5. Stipple

    Stipple said, almost 3 years ago

    “look up
    trans-Pacific Partnership…”

    If I can look it up it is not a “secret treaty”, that is the point I was making.

    Read what I say….and answer something else entirely.
    This makes communication more difficult.

  6. eugene57

    eugene57 said, almost 3 years ago

    “Last I checked, the sky isn’t falling.”
    So no snow, rain, hail, fog, etc. where you are today?

  7. morrrva

    morrrva said, almost 3 years ago

    @Mephistopheles

    A two-meter sea level rise completely submerges New Orleans and Miami. It causes constant flooding in New York, Norfolk, VA, and scores of other coastal cities. Estimates have gone as high as $50B a year for the U.S. alone to mitigate such flooding, and over $1T of economic downturn. And most climatologists admit their estimates may be low, and a 2M rise estimate may be far too small. Still think that climate change mitigation is the only option that potentially reduces standards of living? Climate change deniers always seem to gloss over the real dollar and cent costs of doing nothing.

  8. curtisls87

    curtisls87 said, almost 3 years ago

    @morrrva

    Um, no, even the IPCC doesn’t believe in a 2M rise, let alone “most climatologists admit their estimates may be low.” Please don’t exaggerate, as that gives others the chance to seize on that, and discount any argument you make.
    Current estimates by the IPCC show a rise of between .2 to .5 meters by 2100. http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/faq-5-1.html

  9. Kip W

    Kip W said, almost 3 years ago

    Neocon Man is our local distributor for Poe’s Law.

  10. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    Yep, solar is very useful, and there is more than one way to effect it. We have a passive solar unit – that is, a glass wall, vented to the basement, under close control to push warm air into the basement in daylight (when the temp differential is enough), and vice versa in the summer, to dump cool air into the basement at night.

    Given that we were the somewhat less than happy recipients of Enron’s generosity, the fact that it has cut our power bills in half made it well worth doing. It is entirely constructed of found materials, including the fans scrounged from dead microwaves and that sort of thing.

    Home Power Magazine has run some very interesting designs over the last few years, though they have gradually come to emphasize commercial solutions more than DIY. Even so – there are some good designs.

  11. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, almost 3 years ago

    Please realize that NeoconMan (as usual) has his sarcasm meter on full. Please do not take him seriously!

  12. William Bednar

    William Bednar GoComics PRO Member said, almost 3 years ago

    “Last I checked, the sky isn’t falling.”
    #
    Maybe you should look up?

  13. Stipple

    Stipple said, almost 3 years ago

    “Temps have gone up degrees F ( degree C). That is a general figure…”

    The temps are averaging about 6 degrees F higher in Alaska.
    The permafrost in the Tanana Flats is 1,300 feet thick, the top half has reached 32 degrees and the top 30 to 50 feet are starting to reach liquid
    Solid to liquid for 1,300 feet over 5,000 square miles is a major impact.

    Spewing carbon at half of what we do now will not stop this.
    It may keep it from crossing the Arctic Circle and melting the Yukon Flats. The larger Yukon Flats will affect climate all the way to the Bering Sea.
    Not good for the present world.

  14. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, almost 3 years ago

    Thanks, Mechanic, Adrian.

  15. aattarian

    aattarian said, almost 3 years ago

    @Stipple

    Rachel Maddow’s comment is appropriate here; “Conspiracy is easier to understand than complexity”

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