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  1. Rad-ish

    Rad-ish GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    Time to crank up an endless cyber war to go along with our endless ‘war on terror’. Time the pay the bozo’s we entrusted our secrets to even more money.

  2. edinbaltimore

    edinbaltimore GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    Time to turn some of these hackers into traitors, or else start enlisting ourown hackers in response.

  3. no1scouse

    no1scouse said, 11 months ago

    @onguard

    That’s the reason the Soviet ‘Space Shuttle’ didn’t work.

  4. Michyle Glen

    Michyle Glen said, 11 months ago

    I still cannot believe the lack of Security this shows. Generals are screaming for “New Toys” and the Chinese are stealing them.

  5. d_legendary1 Demands Dr.C and Martens Release

    d_legendary1 Demands Dr.C and Martens Release said, 11 months ago

    If the circuit boards for patriot missles are coming from China, wouldn’t one expect the Chinese to, I don’t know…find a way to hack into the weapons systems it helped build?

  6. hippogriff

    hippogriff said, 11 months ago

    Genome Project: A law banning Chinese-sourced parts vs. higher profits? And you say the law holds? Corporations are non-geographic nations, with their own foreign policy, salaries instead of taxes, and blacklists instead of trials for those of questionable loyalty. You can’t invade them because they are everywhere. You could jail them, but haven’t the guts, and besides, they write our laws, and have free use of our military for their private army.

  7. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 said, 11 months ago

    @PAJ

    Do you have actual facts or are you hallucinating again?

  8. Justice22

    Justice22 said, 11 months ago

    Why would top secret documents/plans be kept on a computer open to anyone on the internet anyway? Stupidity, and it is indicative of our military industry.

  9. pirate227

    pirate227 said, 11 months ago

    @Rad-ish

    It started a long time ago.

  10. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 said, 11 months ago

    @onguard

    China has had ICBMs since at least 1981. Cite. You can’t blame Clinton for that. True, LORAL may have made those missiles better, but with a 5 megaton warhead, their missiles really don’t need to be that accurate.


    Keep in mind that Chinese nuclear doctrine places literally zero importance on maintaining a counter-force arsenal: that is, the PRC isn’t going to target US ICBM silos. The Chinese target cities for their strategy of deterrence, which is pretty damn smart, since they probably have less than a couple dozen ICBMs.


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    Kind of a pointless statement, since these weapons can be re-targeted in a matter of minutes.


    It seems more likely that LORAL employees acted incompetently in exceeding the scope of their export license. One can hardly blame Clinton for that.


    If we are to hold Presidents accountable for the illegal — or at least stupid - acts of employees of private corporations, then we should also indict Reagan for approving export licenses that allowed samples of extremely dangerous biological agents to be sold to Iraq during the mid-to-late 1980s. Actaully, since he was selling arms to two terrorist supporting nations, that’s probably a more severe blow to US national security, seeing as how we have gone on to fight two wars against one of those countries.


    And as far as giving nuclear weapons technology to North Korea, that allegation is silly. Clinton made a deal that would have resulted in the end of North Korea’s nuclear program in exchange for Japan and South Korea financing a light water nuclear reactor, which can be used for electricity, but has little to no use in a nuclear weapons program. That was in 1994. The light water reactors were never built, thus, quite obviously, have nothing to do with North Korea’s nuclear weapons program.
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    The full story is a bit more complicated than that. First, despite the title of the OP, “Clinton” didn’t give or sell anything to anybody. His adminstration loosened restrictions on technology exports, and a few things got out that probably should not have. (A Capitalist error I’d say.)


    Congress (a Republican Congress, I should point out) conducted a full investigation, and found that while some information was passed to the Chinese by Loral, it didn’t amount to much. The CIA, in fact, said that Loral hadn’t given the Chinese much useful information, and even the Air Force said that the material given to the Chinese by Loral had increased their capabilities only incrementally.


    Additionally, Loral didn’t apply for an “export license” to give the Chinese the data in question. They were working with the Chinese, who had a missile failure that destroyed the Loral satellite it was carrying. The Loral techies faxed them some data that pointed to some ways to improve the missile’s reliability and performance. No one in the Clinton adminstration reviewed this data before it was faxed – they were never asked to do so. No “application” was approved.

    Ultimately, it’s worth noting that the Congress elected not to pursue the matter as part of the Clinton impeachment and, more to the point, didn’t refer any of it to the Justice Department. If there were a prosecutable offense in there somewhere, I’ve got to think that a referral to DOJ would have been a no-brainer.


    What the investigation did lead to, on the other hand, was the realization that Chinese intelligence had been targeting U.S. technology for quite a while, and that some measures needed to be taken to protect sensitive information. The Loral incident, itself, was little more than a tiny pimple on an otherwise acne-ridden face.


    You can read all about it here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv…eystories.htm. The stories are listed in reverse chronological order, so the first story listed is a final summary of Congress’ findings.

  11. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 said, 11 months ago

    @TheTrustedMechanic

    I agree facts speak louder and better than insults.

  12. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 said, 11 months ago

    I didn’t want this struck through. Here it is again;


    If we are to hold Presidents accountable for the illegal — or at least stupid – acts of employees of private corporations, then we should also indict Reagan for approving export licenses that allowed samples of extremely dangerous biological agents to be sold to Iraq during the mid-to-late 1980s. Actually, since he was selling arms to two terrorist supporting nations, that’s probably a more severe blow to US national security, seeing as how we have gone on to fight two wars against one of those countries.

  13. mskemple

    mskemple said, 11 months ago

    @Night-Gaunt49

    Hey fella just because you type till your fingers bleed don’ make it true. Get a clue lieberal !

  14. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    The wingnut right is always looking for a new stupidity to claim as their own. What’s funny, and any folks who’ve worked in “defense” can verify, is that publications like “Aviation Leak”, ’er “Aviation Week and Space Technology” regularly publish materials that give adequate clues as to what the U.S., or Russia, OR China, are up to.


    We’re buying Huey parts from Viet Nam now, and much of our military equipment comes from overseas. A little look into how much of our electronic equipment comes from Israel is also of “interest”.


    Hacking is pretty universal, just like the U.S. and Israel getting into Iran’s computers to mess up their centrifuges, which also took out some other folks as “collateral damage”.


    And yes, contractors are largely responsible for security leaks.

  15. dannysixpack

    dannysixpack said, 11 months ago

    Omnius said, about 12 hours ago

    @PAJ
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    Sorry PAJ but your revisionist history doesn’t hide the fact that it’s been you republicans who have been giving away our secrets.


    sorry ominus, I have to correct you. the republicans don’t give away our state secrets, they sell them to the highest bidder.

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