Lisa Benson by Lisa Benson

Lisa Benson

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  1. eepatt

    eepatt said, almost 3 years ago

    The main factor in educational acheivement is average family income— not money spent per student, not educational background of teachers, not newness of schools, not reading “method”—it is family income. That is THE correlation with educational success. Correlation is not causation, but childhood poverty has been rising steadily since Ronnie Raygun’s administration. The real questions are how can we decrease poverty and how can we lessen its effects? Not with expensive testing, not by taking resources away from the schools that need it most, not by hiring expensive consultants, and certainly NOT by privatization of the public education process. A lot of people and corporations are trying to make money from this problem and we should be a little skeptical of that.

  2. Tax Man

    Tax Man said, almost 3 years ago

    Privatizing almost anything will improve it. When people have a choice, they go for the best results at the most reasonable cost. That is how the marketplace works.

    Remember when there was no choice in telephone service and you got a black, rotary dial phone.

  3. exoticdoc2

    exoticdoc2 said, almost 3 years ago

    Libs never seem to grasp that pouring money into a hopelessly deficient educational system will not make things better. It simply flushes the taxpayer dollars down a sewer and the kids remain ignorant and unprepared for the real world…but then, libs have always refused to live in the real world anyway so this comes as no big surprise.

  4. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, almost 3 years ago

    For once (and every once in awhile) I have to agree with you here. But, is it the parents fault that for the last 30 years or so (no not just in this current administration, or even just the last) the average middle class family in this country has been economically going down hill. This means that both parents have to work (and then sometimes at multiple jobs) just to keep a roof over the kids heads, food in their bellies, and clothes on their backs. Just when do these parents actually have the time (as one worker families in the past had the time) to even begin to work at helping the teachers properly teach their children? The answer is that obviously they do not have the time. And what little time they do have they are usually far too tired from working multiple jobs to do any good anyway!

    This also explains the disparity between the wealthy with their kids better education, and the middle class with their lack of education for their kids. The wealthy have the funds to either: (1) Have the time themselves to see to it that their children get the best education possible, or (2) Have the funds to hire others (tutors, or even full teachers) to do this work for them.

    And teachers unions have absolutely nothing to do with this base situation, one way or the other.

    And like most complicated problem areas this is not true of all people either, just the majority. For instance: My own grand children that live with me and their parents, have the advantage of being in home school with myself as their learning coach. And as a former relatively well educated aerospace worker that is now retired, I have both the time and the ability to see to it that they are actually getting a far better education then they could possibly have in a regular classroom environment. In fact, I work just as hard at this “job” as I ever did while fully employed!! As a relatively mild and compassionate liberal I would like to see all children have the same advantage. So, if you know of any actually constructive ideas to have this happen, then please feel free to express them. And, if you try not to blame moderate liberals for this, then I will not even blame any conservatives either, Deal?

  5. dzw3030

    dzw3030 said, almost 3 years ago

    Profit wasn’t the main motive. The huge increase in the user base demanded more effective technology to handle the work load. All modern telephone systems are very large computers.

  6. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, almost 3 years ago

    I ask for reasonable possible solutions, and all I get in return is the usual ultra conservative positions. Just who is responsible for the jobs situations? How about as a starter, the administration of GW Bush that threw the country into the greatest recession since the Great Depression (another Republican triumph, if you know anything about history at all). And of course the ultra conservative tea party types in the House of Misrepresentations that originally campaigned upon the premise of a laser like concentrations on jobs, and then did absolutely nothing except to try their hardest to make the current president look bad enough to get someone like themselves into the White House. But, of course you paid no attention to the part of my post where I stated that this economic jobs problem has been a steadily occurring problem for the last 30 years or so, not just under either the administrations of GW Bush or Barack Obama.

    And it is this economic problem that has been chipping away at the nuclear family, NOT some specific satanist plot by either the liberals nor the conservatives!!

    But, I must admit that I am rather naive and stupid to even ask for reasonableness from one of the more ultra of our ultra conservatives on this site. Stupid, stupid me!!

    By the way, in my youth (my twenties up till my middle aged forties) I worked full time at Rocketdyne and other aerospace company divisions, was going to my local Jr. College taking such subjects as physics. chemistry, and calculus, raising a family of two terrific kids, and on top of all that, serving my country and state in the Californian National Guard. Of course, I was both young, idealistic (or liberal if you will), and relatively on fire for life. The fire now burns at least somewhat lower (embers really) as I am now 71 years old. You are neither uneducated nor stupid, so if you could just step outside of your ultra right wing positions for a minute (and stop blaming everything of our current president and liberals in general), and even drop the generally angry tone of your posts, you might just be able to make a genuine reasonable contribution to such discussions as this one. Once again, Deal??

  7. lonecat

    lonecat said, almost 3 years ago

    If we take a broad view of “intelligence” then we could take a broader view of how the educational system should work (and we would probably also take a different view of how people should be compensated for the work they do). A student who is very good at the usual school subjects (math, science, language, history, and so on) may be not so good in other areas (such as mechanics or agriculture). The first student will likely go on to college and end up in a well-paid and prestigious job, while the second student may quit school, or perhaps go to a technical school, and end up in a lower-paid and less prestigious job. I think we should recognize and value and reward the contributions of all sorts of people.

  8. phdtogo

    phdtogo said, almost 3 years ago

    The more advanced nations? While a consultant to a major bank in the Netherlands (ABN Amro), I was surrounded by American technology and management concepts/strategy. All of my colleagues longed to come to America where they would be free to pursue their dreams without the fetters of class consciousness, socialism and onerous taxation.

    While living and working in the Netherlands I became acquainted with other “straightjackets” to include police registration (nationals and expats alike) and having to prove to the neighborhood bank that I lived in the local area.

    You truly are to be pitied. If you prefer a more “progressive” society I beg you to leave and find your utopian dreams.

  9. phdtogo

    phdtogo said, almost 3 years ago

    You truly are a moron. Charter schools are supported by tax $$ and open to all.

  10. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, almost 3 years ago

    Well, obviously to the truly intelligent posters such as RT, I am not here to vent my spleen as you and some of the other ultra conservatives say you are. So, there is absolutely no way that I can even begin to reach out to you, And whether or not you wish to believe it or not, that somewhat saddens me. So, I will simply quit. We will see just what happens in the next election. And of course if it does not go your particular way, then I am certain it must be do to the evil liberals and the stupidity of the American voters. I am equally certain that you and some others will continue to vent your spleens here, whether you are correct or not is besides the point. I actually wish you well.

  11. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    Little Con Johnny not only can’t read, he believes he is fully literate.


  12. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    “I do not know why Little John cannot read..”

    I do.

    Traditional teaching methods, which reliably produced a substanial percentage of fully literate graduates have been abandoned. They are too ‘harsh’.

    Kids hate memorization. They should be relieved of the burden. Memorization is not education.

    All these ‘progressive reforms’ have resulted in curricula that teaches nothing useful. How would you devise a testing protocol which somehow proved students have learned something they have never been taught?

    The base of education is literacy. The abandonment of phonetic instruction was the first breach in the core of American education.

    True enough that few kids enjoy memorization, but it’s a reality that memorization disciplines the brain in ways nothing else does. Memorizing classic poetry trains the mind to the sense of the language.

    I support testing too – but not the standard multiple choice testing the schools have devolved to. Testing should include verbal skills as well as knowledge. Factoids of the sort that ‘education’ is dependent on these days is a total waste of resources.

    Time to raze the schools to the ground and start over. Where you are going to find teachers with academic skills to impart is a different question. That could be a considerable challenge in this country today.

  13. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    “Reading starts at home.”

    Then why are we paying the schools not to teach kids to read?

    I’m guessing you are correct in saying that these days, that’s the only way to acquire a literate child. My child was home schooled, and is literate.

    The schools are taking our money to ‘educate’ our children. They are taking the money under false pretenses, because education is not what kids have been getting for forty years or more.

  14. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago


    “but then, libs have always refused to live in the real world anyway so this comes as no big surprise.”

    So … why haven’t the Cons done something about it?

  15. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, almost 3 years ago

    “Obamacare is the biggest job killer to come from the government! those in the house who are doing what they were elected to do I salute them! They are NOT political lap dogs like Reid!:”

    Harley, really. There were no jobs left to kill by the time Obama took office. Granted he’s brought none back. No sign that any part of the GOP are taking an interest there either.

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