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I agree with Mickey. The healthcare bill is an imperfect document scraped together in order to “do something, even if it’s wrong.” If our legislators ever decide to actually work together instead of making every piece of legislation an ad for the next elections, they could actually create a product that would save the nation money and provide healthcare for an overwhelming majority. There are too many examples of medical offices and hospitals succeeding in this industry, but there are also too many lobbyists twisting politicians arms and scaring medical professionals. How many of you have written to your legislators yet? Respectfully, C.
Still scratching my head about why corporations thought that it was better to be in charge of their employees health care than to hand it off to someone else and relieve themselves of the obligation forever. Only thing I can think of is that it must have given them some power over their employees that they wouldn’t have otherwise have. . And then … how do you explain douchebags like John Schnatter and others who simply refuse to pay it on any terms?
Mr. Downs, Please clarify your statement that there are too many examples of medical offices and hospitals succeeding in this industry. I know you don’t want them to fail, but I don’t follow your point. I think I do, but I see an onslaught of right-wing attacks for an unclear comment. I know you don’t think they should fail, I respect your comments because of yoru balance, intelligence and restraint, but this really perplexes me.
Well, I can answer the first part for you. A large number of people have bought into the “federal government is stupid and wasteful; the markets are always perfectly efficient” argument, forgetting that the markets only work when buyer and seller both feel free to walk away from the deal. How often does that happen when one’s health (and often, very life) is concerned? Then again, these are the same people who yell “death panels” yet are perfectly content with letting their fates be decided by a bunch of accountants in their for-profit insurance company.
“Then again, these are the same people who yell “death panels” yet are perfectly content with letting their fates be decided by a bunch of accountants in their for-profit insurance company” There was a study done this year to find the jobs that had the highest percentage of psyhopaths and sociopaths working them. Number one on the list was CEO. Not the type of people I really want making decisions about MY healthcare.
Remember that this all started because of the number of un-insured people in the country. It would have been less expensive to buy insurance for them instead of forcing all of us onto this monstrosity.
Single payer (which is where we are heading) always leads to rationing.
Lobbyists? Yes! Remember that there were over 400 ammendments put forward by conservative lawmakers when this bill went through Congress. I like the single payer system myself. The local hospital says the law will save them an estimated $53 million a year from people who now use the emergency room for “free”. This should help lower insurance rates.
Hello TrustedMechanic, This is turning out to be a bad day for me to be posting. I had to delete one post because I was totally wrong, and had to apologize for not updating my numbers on another one. et tu mechanic? /grin Over the last four years, there have been stories on NBC Nightly News and CBS about hospitals that are succeeding in cutting costs through a variety of methods and creating better working relationships with insurance companies. In the past two years, as my wife and I dealt with some severe medical issues, I had too many opportunities to see medical offices at work and to talk to staff. That said, I can’t provide you with the quality of proof your question deserves. I would have to look through websites for too long. And while I can name the doctor offices where I was most impressed, even that is ‘nuanced’ information. I thank you for your very kind comments and wish I could quickly find some of the places of which I wrote. However, I’ve discovered those who wish to attack ideas rarely let facts or proofs get in their way. Perhaps I should have begun my post to which you replied as… Rumor has it…. I’ll try to do better next time, Mechanic. Thank you and my other friends here who try to keep me honest, and therefore, relevant to the conversations. Sincerely, C.
1. CEO 2. Lawyer 3. Media (Television/Radio) 4. Salesperson 5. Surgeon 6. Journalist 7. Police Officer 8. Clergy person 9. Chef 10. Civil Servant
Lowest Rates of Psychopathy:
1. Care Aide 2. Nurse 3. Therapist 4. Craftsperson 5. Beautician/Stylist 6. Charity Worker 7. Teacher 8. Creative Artist 9. Doctor 10. Accountant
The prevalence of psychopathy among corporate leaders has been reported before, including by AOL Jobs. And recently a study out of the University of Minnesota found that when college students exhibit such behaviors as cheating and lying — which are considered typical of psychopaths — they’re more likely to do the same on the job. The study found that students’ deceptive behavior — from widening margins on a paper to having a fellow student write a paper for you — “tends to carry over” into the workplace in practices such as long lunches and falsifying an expense report, Minnesota psychology professor Nathan Kuncel told Business News Daily.
Mix a snifter of Bill Mauldin, a dash of Jeff McNelly and a very large dollop of common sense, and you begin to get an idea of Lisa Benson’s considerable talent.
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Comments (27) (Please sign in to comment)
Dangerbunny said, 5 months ago
Gotta agree with you, Lisa, Single Payer would be a whole lot simpler.
mickey1339
said, 5 months ago
Have no fear Bunny, this is just going to be a long expensive evolution to single payer. It can’t go anywhere else logically.
Kylie2112 said, 5 months ago
@mickey1339
Blame the Republicans, since this is what they wanted in the mid-90s instead of Hillarycare.
Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago
I agree with Mickey.
The healthcare bill is an imperfect document scraped together in order to “do something, even if it’s wrong.”
If our legislators ever decide to actually work together instead of making every piece of legislation an ad for the next elections, they could actually create a product that would save the nation money and provide healthcare for an overwhelming majority. There are too many examples of medical offices and hospitals succeeding in this industry, but there are also too many lobbyists twisting politicians arms and scaring medical professionals.
How many of you have written to your legislators yet?
Respectfully,
C.
moderateisntleft said, 5 months ago
@Respectful Troll
Well said C!
Chillbilly
said, 5 months ago
Still scratching my head about why corporations thought that it was better to be in charge of their employees health care than to hand it off to someone else and relieve themselves of the obligation forever. Only thing I can think of is that it must have given them some power over their employees that they wouldn’t have otherwise have.
.
And then … how do you explain douchebags like John Schnatter and others who simply refuse to pay it on any terms?
TheTrustedMechanic said, 5 months ago
Mr. Downs,
Please clarify your statement that there are too many examples of medical offices and hospitals succeeding in this industry. I know you don’t want them to fail, but I don’t follow your point. I think I do, but I see an onslaught of right-wing attacks for an unclear comment. I know you don’t think they should fail, I respect your comments because of yoru balance, intelligence and restraint, but this really perplexes me.
The Wolf In Your Midst said, 5 months ago
@Chillbilly
Well, I can answer the first part for you. A large number of people have bought into the “federal government is stupid and wasteful; the markets are always perfectly efficient” argument, forgetting that the markets only work when buyer and seller both feel free to walk away from the deal. How often does that happen when one’s health (and often, very life) is concerned?
Then again, these are the same people who yell “death panels” yet are perfectly content with letting their fates be decided by a bunch of accountants in their for-profit insurance company.
Fourcrows said, 5 months ago
@The Wolf In Your Midst
“Then again, these are the same people who yell “death panels” yet are perfectly content with letting their fates be decided by a bunch of accountants in their for-profit insurance company”
There was a study done this year to find the jobs that had the highest percentage of psyhopaths and sociopaths working them. Number one on the list was CEO. Not the type of people I really want making decisions about MY healthcare.
Mneedle said, 5 months ago
Remember that this all started because of the number of un-insured people in the country. It would have been less expensive to buy insurance for them instead of forcing all of us onto this monstrosity.
Single payer (which is where we are heading) always leads to rationing.
Mneedle said, 5 months ago
@Fourcrows
I do not believe your statement on the study.
ODon said, 5 months ago
@Mneedle
“Single payer always leads to rationing.”
We ration care now, and it’s very profitable for some, deadly for others.
Justice22 said, 5 months ago
@Respectful Troll
Lobbyists? Yes! Remember that there were over 400 ammendments put forward by conservative lawmakers when this bill went through Congress. I like the single payer system myself.
The local hospital says the law will save them an estimated $53 million a year from people who now use the emergency room for “free”. This should help lower insurance rates.
Respectful Troll said, 5 months ago
@TheTrustedMechanic
Hello TrustedMechanic,
This is turning out to be a bad day for me to be posting. I had to delete one post because I was totally wrong, and had to apologize for not updating my numbers on another one.
et tu mechanic? /grin
Over the last four years, there have been stories on NBC Nightly News and CBS about hospitals that are succeeding in cutting costs through a variety of methods and creating better working relationships with insurance companies. In the past two years, as my wife and I dealt with some severe medical issues, I had too many opportunities to see medical offices at work and to talk to staff.
That said, I can’t provide you with the quality of proof your question deserves. I would have to look through websites for too long. And while I can name the doctor offices where I was most impressed, even that is ‘nuanced’ information.
I thank you for your very kind comments and wish I could quickly find some of the places of which I wrote.
However, I’ve discovered those who wish to attack ideas rarely let facts or proofs get in their way.
Perhaps I should have begun my post to which you replied as…
Rumor has it….
I’ll try to do better next time, Mechanic.
Thank you and my other friends here who try to keep me honest, and therefore, relevant to the conversations.
Sincerely,
C.
Fourcrows said, 5 months ago
@Mneedle
Highest Rates of Psychopathy:
1. CEO
2. Lawyer
3. Media (Television/Radio)
4. Salesperson
5. Surgeon
6. Journalist
7. Police Officer
8. Clergy person
9. Chef
10. Civil Servant
Lowest Rates of Psychopathy:
1. Care Aide
2. Nurse
3. Therapist
4. Craftsperson
5. Beautician/Stylist
6. Charity Worker
7. Teacher
8. Creative Artist
9. Doctor
10. Accountant
The prevalence of psychopathy among corporate leaders has been reported before, including by AOL Jobs. And recently a study out of the University of Minnesota found that when college students exhibit such behaviors as cheating and lying — which are considered typical of psychopaths — they’re more likely to do the same on the job. The study found that students’ deceptive behavior — from widening margins on a paper to having a fellow student write a paper for you — “tends to carry over” into the workplace in practices such as long lunches and falsifying an expense report, Minnesota psychology professor Nathan Kuncel told Business News Daily.
I only quoted the study, I did not make it up.