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Jeff Stahler

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  1. mickey1339

    mickey1339 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    Lets assume for a moment that all these claims about global warming are correct and the world is going to melt like a Popsicle on a hot day. What are the financial costs expected and how is it supposed to get paid for?

  2. Rad-ish

    Rad-ish GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    His right eye can’t see the chart.

  3. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, over 1 year ago

    Luckily Barry is doing a good job with the equality part since the middle class is now near poverty.

  4. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @mickey1339

    As I understand the fear of climate change cost, it hinges on the change in the ability to produce food (drought) and the increase in catastrophic weather events (50 billion for Sandy) the damage to the oceans with higher acid levels and the damage to coastal cities along with lose of land mass due to rising water levels.

    So it is still just data being processed for the most part, giving us an idea of what “might” happen ( and I believe that climates do indeed change and always have). And so the actual cost can not be totaled. No there will be no way to “pay” for it. It must be endured.

    So if the climate in the US changes and the land where we grow the food that feeds the world is overcome by drought (look at the drought maps http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/drought/) then people will starve, populations will relocate, cities will be inundated with refugees, and government welfare will become unsustainable (as if it isn’t now).

    So rather than fighting a losing battle why are we not preparing to survive the coming catastrophe? I think we are, but you and I are on our own ’cause we are not part of the “elite”.

  5. Stipple

    Stipple said, over 1 year ago

    2050 is the date the food supply will be smaller than the population, even if global warming stopped right now today.
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    I personally believe the world waited too long already, but with climate change in the mix the future may be shorter than the optimum.
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    Facts, pull out the thermometer and read the number.
    I find this close enough to be an answer to “when is that happening, canookie?”

  6. Quipss

    Quipss said, over 1 year ago

    @mickey1339

    Financial costs mentioned below. Also the world will not melt. The issue is that a 4 degree average weather change is far more severe. May seem small but remember

    Good times -——— Bad times

    Unemployment 4% 8%
    Growth 3% 1%
    Margins are what most of life is based off of.

  7. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    First: AGW and climate change is very real, and nobodies saying the planet is “melting like a popsicle”. From the economic standpoint, what the science is warning is that doing nothing now, will see a “down the road” increased cost many, many, times greater! Of course, that many species, including food species, terrestrial and aquatic (plant and animal) will be lost as a result of climate change, the cost in human life WILL be great, but that’s only posterity some 100 years down the road, so who the “f” cares? Right?

  8. Ketira shena Pretarasedrin

    Ketira shena Pretarasedrin GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    Tell that to the people who get killed in Hurricanes every year…… or lightning storms….. or tornadoes…..
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    ….and if you were a real charter boat captain, you’d know about Waterspouts.

  9. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 1 year ago

    @Bruce4671

    Great reply to Mickey’s great question. Tho I don’t know what you mean in your last sentence. And I assure you, if you believe in Climate Change and also believe it has real consequences that will effect pocket books and lives, you are not “on your own”, and in fact, you are a very welcome member of a very concerned group of people.
    Respectfully,
    C.

  10. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @Respectful Troll

    As much s I would like to believe that, I fear I am too strange a duck to be included in any survival group. I am prepared to make it on my own if necessary with supplies and the means to feed and shelter my family already on hand.

    Maybe a small community is best andI think the catastrophe will not be heat but cold. We will raise global temps just enough to alter global currents, the ice cap will melt enough to quit warming the north Atlantic and soon, ice age. But that’s just me.

  11. mickey1339

    mickey1339 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    Interesting dialog. Of course there are costs other than economic. The costs are social, cultural and physical just to name a few. What I was “fishing” for were solutions proposed, not a justification of the condition. I probably could have written the question better. I’m a believer we’ve done a job already damaging the environment and now the Chinese and the Indians seemed determined to finish it off.


    I have always contended that China will probably overtake us as the #1 economy in the world and they already have the population balance. Economically it is questionable to me if they will survive their growth with the level of pollution they are creating. For the last several days the government has advised the very young and old to stay indoors because pollution in Beijing has hit dangerous levels. Of course Salt Lake City has the same problem with a cold air inversion trapping smog in the valley. Oh well…

  12. Respectful Troll

    Respectful Troll said, over 1 year ago

    @mickey1339

    Hello Mickey,
    Time Magazine had a special edition last summer about Climate Change and things being done to combat it. It’s too bad we allow politicians and corporations who put bottom line before people to divide and distract us.
    I, like you, believe nations like China, India, and the growing economies of Africa will offset much of the good the USA can do. However, we must try to find solutions and export them when possible. My visit to Germany showed me what a nation can do when its people decide to clean their air, save their forests, and improve the quality of life for people and wildlife. I believe we have the capacity to do much better in much less time,..but it may still be too late.
    @Bruce – a survival group is whoever you’re with when the bottom falls out. Neighbors are neighbors and if you get to know folks, you find allies against adversity instead of competitors for resources at times of crisis.
    After a hurricane a few years back, several trees blocked our road and people were without power for five days. Our neighbors worked together to clear the street, had cook outs and shared food from defrosting refrigerators, and orange cords crossed fences and streets as people with generators provided an outlet for at least one other neighbor’s fridge,
    Have hope.
    Sincerely,
    C.

  13. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @mickey1339

    So again; solutions. pieced together from my previous comments

    " No there will be no way to “pay” for it. It must be endured. "

    “So rather than fighting a losing battle why are we not preparing to survive the coming catastrophe? "

    " I am prepared to make it on my own if necessary with supplies and the means to feed and shelter my family already on hand."

    " a small community is best andI think the catastrophe will not be heat but cold."

    So if we truly believe as you said: " I’m a believer we’ve done a job already damaging the environment and now the Chinese and the Indians seemed determined to finish it off." Then, have you started to gather together the elements necessary for your survival? Have you trained yourself in the "crafts’ that will be needed? Have you gotten together with like minded individuals and planned a small community that can be relied upon to grow food, hunt food, share food? Do you have a plan to provide protection for yourself should society fail on a large scale?

    And while none of these things may happen on a large scale, sometime in future you may be faced with a local event where all this training and preparation will save your life and the lives of others.

    Meanwhile, support the green energy drive but do not throw out the production of energy owith the current technology. What are YOU doing. Do you drive a hybrid? (I do not but I don’t go anywhere so) Have you installed green tech in your home or used available government programs to conserve energy in your home? (that I have done with solar panels and energy optimization technology).

    What are YOUR ideas?

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