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At a school with an intensive “security system”. Maybe it’s time to realize we ARE a violent society, bringing same to others, repeatedly and keeping our heads in the sand to avoid seeing who we REALLY are?
March 13, 1996 – Scotland A deranged gun collector kills 16 children aged four to six and their teacher at a school in Dunblane. He then kills himself.
April 20, 1999 – United States Two youths aged 17 and 18 armed with guns and more than 30 home-made bombs kill 12 students and a teacher at Columbine high school in Littleton, Colorado before they both commit suicide.
April 26, 2002 – Germany
16 people, including 12 teachers and two students, are gunned down at a school in Erfurt in eastern Germany by a 19-year-old former student, apparently in revenge for having been expelled.
April 16, 2007 – United States A South Korean student kills 32 people on his campus at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. He then kills himself.
November 7, 2007 – Finland An 18-year-old student opens fire in a school in southern Finland killing five boys, two girls and the headmistress before turning his gun on himself.
September 23, 2008 – Finland Eleven people, including the gunman, die in a massacre at a training school at Kauhajoki, Finland.
March 11, 2009 – Germany Nine pupils, three teachers and three passers-by are killed in a school shooting at Winnenden in southern Germany by a former pupil who then kills himself.
April 7, 2011 – Brazil A man believed to be a former student opens fire in a school in Rio de Janeiro killing 10 people and wounding 18 others before taking his own life.
“March 13, 1996 – Scotland”….. ♦ Interesting post. I knew China was having problems with people going into schools and stabbing kids, but wasn’t aware that school shootings were so pervasive on a world wide basis.
With respect, that’s a big spread of dates and almost the only massacre ever in those countries. However, we’re getting used to hearing that sort of news within a single year or two from USA only. And you’ve left out lots of countries that never have massacres, especially those countries that restrict gun ownership, loony or not. In any case, the examples provided simply encourage the idea that there should be severe gun restrictions, which happened in Australia and no more massacres after 1996.
Why don’t we actually start to attempt to respect each other by not changing the names of things, or even shortening them for the purpose of dis-respecting others on these message boards?
Heck, I will not even say ultra conservative(s), but only relatively conservative, if that would be more respectful. Words can be both hurtful and violent in nature. Perhaps being peaceful and non violent could begin even here???
Would that even be possible for some on these boards? This is not being just PC, but even reasonable human beings.
I’m a non USA-ican, and from where I sit, any non farmer or non military/law enforcer that wants to own a gun should be locked up in a mental institution. Why do you guys feel the pressing need to own things whose sole purpose is to kill someone in your community?
I’m an American, raised on a farm and learned to use guns at an early age. The best response I can give to your question is: It appears to be a character flaw. As a rational man I accept that owning one or more guns will not protect me against someone out to do me harm. Pretending that they will, or claiming shooting at paper targets is a sport only demonstrates willful self delusion.
Perhaps we need to consider armed guards in the schools. And there needs to be a way of taking these deranged people off the streets. Seems we may have gone too far in protecting the “civil rights” of madmen. Even if the families of these people know (or strongly suspect) they are dangerous, there is nothing anyone can do until they murder someone (or a bunch of someones). Has to be a better way.
First of all, interesting that this mother sees the headline on her Tablet. Just interesting how the tech has evolved, I think McCoy’s mother got the news on her CRT TeeVee. . Second, The issue is Motive Means Opportunity. You can’t stop motive, if you stop means you greatly diminish opportunity! . There is ZERO comparison between knifings and shootings in that if you are at arms length plus a little from the knife you are safe. A shooter can stand in the doorway, blocking your escape and still kill you on the other side of the room! So just stop with that argument! . Three: This is the Triangle Shirtwaist incident of the Gun Control issue! As it should be. “Enough” is something we passed long ago! . The difference is that we need to talk about gun control and not gun rights. Gun Control starts at Zero Guns, Zero Tolerance all bullets are now two sizes smaller (or bigger) than current guns and all past guns are obsolete! We start at zero guns and the NRA can justify each one from scratch! . Gun Rights is “We start at ‘We have the right to own Nuclear weapons’ and it is your job to try to prove to us why we shouldn’t!” . Don’t let them derail the conversation! We OWE it to those children! .
I don’t intend to be polite to anyone who tries to pass off the usual NRA line of BS! . You want to be polite, I won’t bite you for being so, I won’t say “You’re either with us or you’re against us!” But I will say that every time President Obama tried to be nice to this constituency it has resulted in this constituency moving further to the right of their own position. I don’t know why you would expect them to be different this time. . Their rhetoric is costing lives! We are complicit in the loos of those lives because we did not shun their dispicable opinions from the get go. We (I ) will not continue to make that mistake. If you say something ridiculous, I’m going to ridicule you for it! That’s our job!
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dtroutma
said, 5 months ago
At a school with an intensive “security system”. Maybe it’s time to realize we ARE a violent society, bringing same to others, repeatedly and keeping our heads in the sand to avoid seeing who we REALLY are?
ConserveGov said, 5 months ago
@dtroutma
Maybe give your Hate America speech a rest for at least one day.
ConserveGov said, 5 months ago
March 13, 1996 – Scotland
A deranged gun collector kills 16 children aged four to six and their teacher at a school in Dunblane. He then kills himself.
April 20, 1999 – United States
Two youths aged 17 and 18 armed with guns and more than 30 home-made bombs kill 12 students and a teacher at Columbine high school in Littleton, Colorado before they both commit suicide.
April 26, 2002 – Germany
16 people, including 12 teachers and two students, are gunned down at a school in Erfurt in eastern Germany by a 19-year-old former student, apparently in revenge for having been expelled.
April 16, 2007 – United States
A South Korean student kills 32 people on his campus at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. He then kills himself.
November 7, 2007 – Finland
An 18-year-old student opens fire in a school in southern Finland killing five boys, two girls and the headmistress before turning his gun on himself.
September 23, 2008 – Finland
Eleven people, including the gunman, die in a massacre at a training school at Kauhajoki, Finland.
March 11, 2009 – Germany
Nine pupils, three teachers and three passers-by are killed in a school shooting at Winnenden in southern Germany by a former pupil who then kills himself.
April 7, 2011 – Brazil
AA man believed to be a former student opens fire in a school in Rio de Janeiro killing 10 people and wounding 18 others before taking his own life.
Radish
said, 5 months ago
@ConserveGov
Maybe you could give your own hate speech a break.
mikefive said, 5 months ago
“March 13, 1996 – Scotland”…..
♦
Interesting post. I knew China was having problems with people going into schools and stabbing kids, but wasn’t aware that school shootings were so pervasive on a world wide basis.
Ottodesu said, 5 months ago
@ConserveGov
With respect, that’s a big spread of dates and almost the only massacre ever in those countries.
However, we’re getting used to hearing that sort of news within a single year or two from USA only.
And you’ve left out lots of countries that never have massacres, especially those countries that restrict gun ownership, loony or not.
In any case, the examples provided simply encourage the idea that there should be severe gun restrictions, which happened in Australia and no more massacres after 1996.
Robert Landers said, 5 months ago
Why don’t we actually start to attempt to respect each other by not changing the names of things, or even shortening them for the purpose of dis-respecting others on these message boards?
Heck, I will not even say ultra conservative(s), but only relatively conservative, if that would be more respectful. Words can be both hurtful and violent in nature. Perhaps being peaceful and non violent could begin even here???
Would that even be possible for some on these boards?
This is not being just PC, but even reasonable human beings.
D-squared said, 5 months ago
@Robert Landers
Amen
Mighty Mouse said, 5 months ago
@ScottPM
I’m a non USA-ican, and from where I sit, any non farmer or non military/law enforcer that wants to own a gun should be locked up in a mental institution. Why do you guys feel the pressing need to own things whose sole purpose is to kill someone in your community?
Mighty Mouse said, 5 months ago
And how exactly do you keep the crazies from getting a gun?
BTW two thirds of your world-leading numbers of gun deaths are by suicide.
PlainBill said, 5 months ago
@Mighty Mouse
I’m an American, raised on a farm and learned to use guns at an early age. The best response I can give to your question is: It appears to be a character flaw. As a rational man I accept that owning one or more guns will not protect me against someone out to do me harm. Pretending that they will, or claiming shooting at paper targets is a sport only demonstrates willful self delusion.
coraryan
said, 5 months ago
Perhaps we need to consider armed guards in the schools. And there needs to be a way of taking these deranged people off the streets. Seems we may have gone too far in protecting the “civil rights” of madmen. Even if the families of these people know (or strongly suspect) they are dangerous, there is nothing anyone can do until they murder someone (or a bunch of someones). Has to be a better way.
Dredpiraterobt$ said, 5 months ago
First of all, interesting that this mother sees the headline on her Tablet. Just interesting how the tech has evolved, I think McCoy’s mother got the news on her CRT TeeVee.
.
Second, The issue is Motive Means Opportunity. You can’t stop motive, if you stop means you greatly diminish opportunity!
.
There is ZERO comparison between knifings and shootings in that if you are at arms length plus a little from the knife you are safe. A shooter can stand in the doorway, blocking your escape and still kill you on the other side of the room! So just stop with that argument!
.
Three: This is the Triangle Shirtwaist incident of the Gun Control issue! As it should be. “Enough” is something we passed long ago!
.
The difference is that we need to talk about gun control and not gun rights. Gun Control starts at Zero Guns, Zero Tolerance all bullets are now two sizes smaller (or bigger) than current guns and all past guns are obsolete! We start at zero guns and the NRA can justify each one from scratch!
.
Gun Rights is “We start at ‘We have the right to own Nuclear weapons’ and it is your job to try to prove to us why we shouldn’t!”
.
Don’t let them derail the conversation! We OWE it to those children!
.
Justice22 said, 5 months ago
Amen to your message, Mr. Stahler.
Dredpiraterobt$ said, 5 months ago
I don’t intend to be polite to anyone who tries to pass off the usual NRA line of BS!
.
You want to be polite, I won’t bite you for being so, I won’t say “You’re either with us or you’re against us!” But I will say that every time President Obama tried to be nice to this constituency it has resulted in this constituency moving further to the right of their own position. I don’t know why you would expect them to be different this time.
.
Their rhetoric is costing lives! We are complicit in the loos of those lives because we did not shun their dispicable opinions from the get go. We (I ) will not continue to make that mistake. If you say something ridiculous, I’m going to ridicule you for it! That’s our job!