The Republicans already proved with Reagan, Bush I, W, and Ryan that they don’t care about deficits, they just talk about them. Look what happened under Obama when they had to decide between letting W’s taxes expire and vastly expanding the deficit. Deficit shmeficit, we’ll never let taxes on the rich go back to Clinton levels! The GOP may still win on appealing to the idea that poor people are trying to take your money. (Hint: look at who benefits from Romney/Ryan’s budget. It ain’t the poor.)
Just like McCain had to sell out to the far right to get the nomination, so has Mitt. So long moderation, so long any hope of responsible government. When the Republican’s gave up being fiscally conservative for being social zealots, they stil kept calling themselves conservative. Now they have perverted the concept of “conservative” – even Reagan wouldn’t meet their standards now.
“In a perverse way, I kind of hope Mittens DOES win. I figure after he TOTALLY augers the world-wide economy into the ground, and creates an economic collapse that makes 1929 look like a minor statistical glitch, the Republican Party will be TOTALLY finished as a viable Political entity!”
Hope for the worst, to expose the flaws in the system and trigger a REAL change? To quote Rocky the Flying Squirrel, “That trick NEVER works.”
I don’t know why Republicans point to Reagan as being fiscally conservative when he increased the national debt by five times, encouraged outsourcing and only read what Nancy wrote for him after consulting with her astrologer. I heard the remarks made about the death of the Republican Party made during his presidency by both Democrats and Republicans. Memories are too short.
I’ve toyed with that idea too, that the suffering that would come from a Romney presidency would at least be instructive to a certain ill-informed sector of the electorate, but I can’t go with it. The one’s who would suffer most would be the poor and children, and too many new memberships to the “Poverty Club” all with the possibility of the radical right getting to appoint lifetime Supreme Court justices that will steer us in the wrong direction for decades. I’m also not sure the environment could take another 20 years of the kind of assault that comes from deregulating industrial polluters. We’ve gone down that road and we’re still paying for it. It’s important that we win this one!
“.And you think Paul people are going to vote for Barry? Or sit out and get more destruction….Get Real.”
Have you thought about the possibility of Paul running as a third party. Most analysis show that being bad news for republicans even though some (younger) democrats would be drawn to him as well. The R’s had a dilemma here, let Paul in and have disagreement at the convention OR, lock him out and try to talk him into not running on his own. I believe this is what Simon Jester was referring to.
Jack75287 and anyone who wishes to look at what most people knew about the astrology-Reagan connection; http://www.crawfordperspectives.com/documents/ronALDANDNANCYREAGAN-Astrology.pdf
As disappointed as I am with Obama’s first term, on many issues, environment, Gitmo, slow withdrawal from Afghanistan, continuing Shrub’s tax cuts, at least many are because of Republican opposition to ANY rational options.
Simply put, based on logic, the laws of physics, and world diplomacy, a MItt presidency, with a Republican House, and the horror of Senate control changing, is frankly a danger to all seven billion people on the planet, not just we “minority” here in the U.S. who keep throwing our “throw weight” around.
Ignorance is curable, total stupidity however, is genetic as well, and extremely dangerous.
Don’t misunderstand me — I certainly don’t want Romney and the disaster I think he would bring — but if he should be elected (I’m betting Obama will squeak in) then I expect but I do not hope that people suffer.
Like I said, not good for Romney; the message here is, "How can this guy expect to run the country, when he can’t even keep control of his own convention?
Yeah, I know… the hard-right ,Obama hating, Tea-Partiers won’t get that messsage…but the moderates and independents are a whole ’nother story
braindead Premium Member over 11 years ago
He must not be a big fan of Willard’s etch-a-sketch.
sjc14850 over 11 years ago
Apparently integrity is not hereditary.
ARodney over 11 years ago
The Republicans already proved with Reagan, Bush I, W, and Ryan that they don’t care about deficits, they just talk about them. Look what happened under Obama when they had to decide between letting W’s taxes expire and vastly expanding the deficit. Deficit shmeficit, we’ll never let taxes on the rich go back to Clinton levels! The GOP may still win on appealing to the idea that poor people are trying to take your money. (Hint: look at who benefits from Romney/Ryan’s budget. It ain’t the poor.)
lonecat over 11 years ago
No, it’s not worth it.
Simon_Jester over 11 years ago
I dunno about George Romney walking out, but Ron Paul refused to appear at the RNC. THAT’S not good news for Romney and Ryan…not at all
moderateisntleft over 11 years ago
Just like McCain had to sell out to the far right to get the nomination, so has Mitt. So long moderation, so long any hope of responsible government. When the Republican’s gave up being fiscally conservative for being social zealots, they stil kept calling themselves conservative. Now they have perverted the concept of “conservative” – even Reagan wouldn’t meet their standards now.
fritzoid Premium Member over 11 years ago
“In a perverse way, I kind of hope Mittens DOES win. I figure after he TOTALLY augers the world-wide economy into the ground, and creates an economic collapse that makes 1929 look like a minor statistical glitch, the Republican Party will be TOTALLY finished as a viable Political entity!”
Hope for the worst, to expose the flaws in the system and trigger a REAL change? To quote Rocky the Flying Squirrel, “That trick NEVER works.”
Justice22 over 11 years ago
I don’t know why Republicans point to Reagan as being fiscally conservative when he increased the national debt by five times, encouraged outsourcing and only read what Nancy wrote for him after consulting with her astrologer. I heard the remarks made about the death of the Republican Party made during his presidency by both Democrats and Republicans. Memories are too short.
tcolkett over 11 years ago
I’ve toyed with that idea too, that the suffering that would come from a Romney presidency would at least be instructive to a certain ill-informed sector of the electorate, but I can’t go with it. The one’s who would suffer most would be the poor and children, and too many new memberships to the “Poverty Club” all with the possibility of the radical right getting to appoint lifetime Supreme Court justices that will steer us in the wrong direction for decades. I’m also not sure the environment could take another 20 years of the kind of assault that comes from deregulating industrial polluters. We’ve gone down that road and we’re still paying for it. It’s important that we win this one!
tcolkett over 11 years ago
“.And you think Paul people are going to vote for Barry? Or sit out and get more destruction….Get Real.”
Have you thought about the possibility of Paul running as a third party. Most analysis show that being bad news for republicans even though some (younger) democrats would be drawn to him as well. The R’s had a dilemma here, let Paul in and have disagreement at the convention OR, lock him out and try to talk him into not running on his own. I believe this is what Simon Jester was referring to.
Simon_Jester over 11 years ago
Riddle me this, Batman. Why is Ron Paul having his OWN convention in Tampa, and fervently declaring that he’s still in the race?
Justice22 over 11 years ago
Jack75287 and anyone who wishes to look at what most people knew about the astrology-Reagan connection; http://www.crawfordperspectives.com/documents/ronALDANDNANCYREAGAN-Astrology.pdf
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
As disappointed as I am with Obama’s first term, on many issues, environment, Gitmo, slow withdrawal from Afghanistan, continuing Shrub’s tax cuts, at least many are because of Republican opposition to ANY rational options.
Simply put, based on logic, the laws of physics, and world diplomacy, a MItt presidency, with a Republican House, and the horror of Senate control changing, is frankly a danger to all seven billion people on the planet, not just we “minority” here in the U.S. who keep throwing our “throw weight” around.
Ignorance is curable, total stupidity however, is genetic as well, and extremely dangerous.
walruscarver2000 over 11 years ago
Really!!!!!
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
George actually had some ethics, and something to offer. The current RNC = “Rotten Nasty Cretins”.
pirate227 over 11 years ago
Walking out? No.Rolling over in his grave? Yes!
McSpook over 11 years ago
Sadly, that’s too much like “killing the host to kill the disease.”
fritzoid Premium Member over 11 years ago
“Reagan would have won a 3rd term if it was possible.”
Clinton would STILL be president if it was possible.
lonecat over 11 years ago
Don’t misunderstand me — I certainly don’t want Romney and the disaster I think he would bring — but if he should be elected (I’m betting Obama will squeak in) then I expect but I do not hope that people suffer.
Justice22 over 11 years ago
I think I said it before, “You should get yourself a public education.”
Simon_Jester over 11 years ago
Not if it was held THIS year, Immy.
Simon_Jester over 11 years ago
Dear Righties:I hate to say, "I told you so’.…but I TOLD you so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vr5kMguEqi8
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/us/politics/romney-camp-looks-to-head-off-storm-during-convention.html?_r=1&hp
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/ron-paul-revolt-blows-up-gops-unified-convention.php
Like I said, not good for Romney; the message here is, "How can this guy expect to run the country, when he can’t even keep control of his own convention?
Yeah, I know… the hard-right ,Obama hating, Tea-Partiers won’t get that messsage…but the moderates and independents are a whole ’nother story