Obama unable to live up to expectations, Romney unable to live down the GOP record. Classic dilemma. One doctor says you’re still sick because you haven’t taken enough of the medicine, the other that you’re still sick because you’ve taken too much medicine. Given that dilemma, let me see a show of hands: how many of you would give up your medication, and how many of you would increase the dosage? And how much of your decision would be determined by how much you like and/or trust each of these two doctors? I wish I knew what the best economic policy would be. I wish I knew how much the present generation of office holders, of whichever party, is even able to effect any of this, and how much we are in the grip of forces larger than those with which Washington can deal. I don’t. So I am left with supporting that party that seems most intent on supporting Liberty, Equality, and Human Rights, who seem actually to strive to “form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”
Another Republican attempt to re-write history… How’s the “We won Vietnam!” thing working out for ya?Barney’s bill just said not to redline neighborhoods despite the borrower’s credit.Much more responsible for the bust were 1) deregulating the banks2) the banks no longer holding any of the loans they originated, so they didn’t care about the quality.3) the banks coming up with a derivative structure that amounted to legalized gambling with other people’s money.4) Not being satisfied with #3, they started rigging their derivatives like timebombs so they could bet against them
No, Zoid. It wasn’t the rules of engagement, and any serious military historian could tell you that. You think maybe if we’d been allowed to kill more civilians, maybe waterboard them; they’d have come over to your side? You have no idea what it would be like to be invaded. If a south-east Asian nation offered to bomb American cities to save us from a government that wants to make health insurance affordable, would you take them flowers and join their army?
No, I’m sure that peace dividend is a result of arming and training Bin Laden and the Taliban to fight the Soviets or arming Saddam to fight against Iraq.
You are completely on target, still I laughed and laughed “force Wall Street to be honest – make the rich and corporations pay their fair share of taxes” . Too funny. So funny I am still crying
Radish: Jill Stein would, but the public has been so brainwashed that only votes for the two-headed One Great Party counts, that Greens can’t get elected beyond local offices. Still, a protest vote helps.
I constantly hear the refrain from Tea-Partiers, ‘Obama had a majority in Congress for the first two years of his administration, why didn’t he accomplish anything?
Awright…at the time Frank ALLEGEDLY pushed through that agenda, Bush had a much+ bigger+ majority in Congress, and they were all on the same page as him. If the Dems even hinted at a filibuster, the Repubs threatened to go to the ‘nuclear option’. As a result the Republicans were able to ram through any legislation they wanted, the Bankruptcy Billl, and Medicare part D, to cite just two examples.
So with all that power, how is it the R’s weren’t able to stop Barney Frank?
( Yeah, I know…he’s gonna bail rather than answer. That’s okay, this isn’t for his benefit,, it’s for the benefit of any independent reading this thread. )
Bush got the benefit of the Clinton balanced budget. Which Bush then drove off a cliff with tax cuts that primarily benefitted the rich and two, count-em, two, unfunded wars to re-balloon the deficit.
Where the heck is George the Nincompoop these days? The Republicants don’t want him at their convention or even mentioned by name. But, most of Mitten’s advisers are left over from Bush’s days of destroying the American economy. Oh, my!
Please note that “W” won’t be speaking at the GOP convention. Great material for the dems. For a party that is basically pushing the same dribble-down policies as the last 30 years (only on steroids now), it’s pretty rich that they want to distance themselves from Bush, the poster boy for GOP failures.
Bottom line: Romney equals Bush/Cheney Ryan equals Santorum/Akin
No wonder that clown shoes are used to represent the party. Perfect fit!
Clinton, on the other hand, seems to be everywhere. Dems are happy to have him around, with good reason.
@mikefive @meetinthemiddle @Nantucket19I’ve posted this so many times online over the last 4 years that I finally made a website out of it so I can just send the link. Let me know what to add!Who Caused the Great RecessionAs far as the “Gramm-Leach-Bliley Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused Great Recession Theory”, it depends on who’s side you’re on, apparently.From Wikipedia:Many commentators have stated that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act’s repeal of the affiliation restrictions of the Glass–Steagall Act was an important cause of the late-2000s financial crisis. Some critics of that repeal argue it permitted Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors’ money that was held in affiliated commercial banks.Others have argued that the activities linked to the financial crisis were not prohibited (or, in most cases, even regulated) by the Glass–Steagall Act. Commentators, including the American Bankers Association in January 2010, have also argued that the ability of commercial banking firms to acquire securities firms (and of securities firms to convert into bank holding companies) helped mitigate the financial crisis.
If you REALLY insist on pinning the economic collapse on one person who had the most influence with “friends” and the ability to screw everything up, there is ONE recipient of the award: Phil Gramm.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Tom tells it true.
lontooni over 11 years ago
The shoes on Mitt look like clown shoes – wonder why?
Doughfoot over 11 years ago
Obama unable to live up to expectations, Romney unable to live down the GOP record. Classic dilemma. One doctor says you’re still sick because you haven’t taken enough of the medicine, the other that you’re still sick because you’ve taken too much medicine. Given that dilemma, let me see a show of hands: how many of you would give up your medication, and how many of you would increase the dosage? And how much of your decision would be determined by how much you like and/or trust each of these two doctors? I wish I knew what the best economic policy would be. I wish I knew how much the present generation of office holders, of whichever party, is even able to effect any of this, and how much we are in the grip of forces larger than those with which Washington can deal. I don’t. So I am left with supporting that party that seems most intent on supporting Liberty, Equality, and Human Rights, who seem actually to strive to “form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”
sw10mm over 11 years ago
Things are going so well that the fed is now threatening yet another stimulus. Whew! Good job there.
meetinthemiddle over 11 years ago
Another Republican attempt to re-write history… How’s the “We won Vietnam!” thing working out for ya?Barney’s bill just said not to redline neighborhoods despite the borrower’s credit.Much more responsible for the bust were 1) deregulating the banks2) the banks no longer holding any of the loans they originated, so they didn’t care about the quality.3) the banks coming up with a derivative structure that amounted to legalized gambling with other people’s money.4) Not being satisfied with #3, they started rigging their derivatives like timebombs so they could bet against them
zoidknight over 11 years ago
The democratic party would be forced to arrest themselves and that will never happen.
zoidknight over 11 years ago
Strange, I looked it up, and it was not, it was the current head of the banking committee and he is a democrat.
ARodney over 11 years ago
No, Zoid. It wasn’t the rules of engagement, and any serious military historian could tell you that. You think maybe if we’d been allowed to kill more civilians, maybe waterboard them; they’d have come over to your side? You have no idea what it would be like to be invaded. If a south-east Asian nation offered to bomb American cities to save us from a government that wants to make health insurance affordable, would you take them flowers and join their army?
lontooni over 11 years ago
Barny was never the President or a banker. Read a news paper
Jason Allen over 11 years ago
No, I’m sure that peace dividend is a result of arming and training Bin Laden and the Taliban to fight the Soviets or arming Saddam to fight against Iraq.
lontooni over 11 years ago
You are completely on target, still I laughed and laughed “force Wall Street to be honest – make the rich and corporations pay their fair share of taxes” . Too funny. So funny I am still crying
hippogriff over 11 years ago
Radish: Jill Stein would, but the public has been so brainwashed that only votes for the two-headed One Great Party counts, that Greens can’t get elected beyond local offices. Still, a protest vote helps.
Simon_Jester over 11 years ago
Ahhh yeah, lemme ask you a question
I constantly hear the refrain from Tea-Partiers, ‘Obama had a majority in Congress for the first two years of his administration, why didn’t he accomplish anything?
Awright…at the time Frank ALLEGEDLY pushed through that agenda, Bush had a much+ bigger+ majority in Congress, and they were all on the same page as him. If the Dems even hinted at a filibuster, the Repubs threatened to go to the ‘nuclear option’. As a result the Republicans were able to ram through any legislation they wanted, the Bankruptcy Billl, and Medicare part D, to cite just two examples.
So with all that power, how is it the R’s weren’t able to stop Barney Frank?
( Yeah, I know…he’s gonna bail rather than answer. That’s okay, this isn’t for his benefit,, it’s for the benefit of any independent reading this thread. )
lafayetteann over 11 years ago
Bush got the benefit of the Clinton balanced budget. Which Bush then drove off a cliff with tax cuts that primarily benefitted the rich and two, count-em, two, unfunded wars to re-balloon the deficit.
joe vignone over 11 years ago
Where the heck is George the Nincompoop these days? The Republicants don’t want him at their convention or even mentioned by name. But, most of Mitten’s advisers are left over from Bush’s days of destroying the American economy. Oh, my!
josefw over 11 years ago
My uncle from Chicago voted Republican all his life, up until he died. Now he votes for the Democrats!
kamwick over 11 years ago
Please note that “W” won’t be speaking at the GOP convention. Great material for the dems. For a party that is basically pushing the same dribble-down policies as the last 30 years (only on steroids now), it’s pretty rich that they want to distance themselves from Bush, the poster boy for GOP failures.
Bottom line: Romney equals Bush/Cheney Ryan equals Santorum/Akin
No wonder that clown shoes are used to represent the party. Perfect fit!
Clinton, on the other hand, seems to be everywhere. Dems are happy to have him around, with good reason.
corzak over 11 years ago
@mikefive @meetinthemiddle @Nantucket19I’ve posted this so many times online over the last 4 years that I finally made a website out of it so I can just send the link. Let me know what to add!Who Caused the Great RecessionAs far as the “Gramm-Leach-Bliley Repeal of Glass-Steagall Caused Great Recession Theory”, it depends on who’s side you’re on, apparently.From Wikipedia:Many commentators have stated that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act’s repeal of the affiliation restrictions of the Glass–Steagall Act was an important cause of the late-2000s financial crisis. Some critics of that repeal argue it permitted Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors’ money that was held in affiliated commercial banks.Others have argued that the activities linked to the financial crisis were not prohibited (or, in most cases, even regulated) by the Glass–Steagall Act. Commentators, including the American Bankers Association in January 2010, have also argued that the ability of commercial banking firms to acquire securities firms (and of securities firms to convert into bank holding companies) helped mitigate the financial crisis.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
If you REALLY insist on pinning the economic collapse on one person who had the most influence with “friends” and the ability to screw everything up, there is ONE recipient of the award: Phil Gramm.
Simon_Jester over 11 years ago
Ehhhh…wrong,Tig! The alleged Frank episode happened in 2003, when the Repubs owned it,., lock, stock and barrel
If you’re gonna come here and lie, at least don’t insult everyone’s intelligence on top of it