Matt Bors for July 23, 2012

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It’s not hard to refute those who don’t think and it takes no effort to say no to the childlike that are led by fantasy.

I am going to anticipate the usual spate of ignorant global warming deniers: you are wrong, the OVERWHELMING majority of scientists in applicable disciplines have concluded THROUGH DATA that AGW is real, many are posting their data (go to realclimate.org and see for yourself), the science isn’t even very difficult to understand (go to www.ncse.org/climate for an excellent introduction with links), and there are definitely things we can do about it.So before you start posting nonsense: better check your sources against real data. That means:NOT the Petition Project, which was debunked long ago,NO Al Gore references, since he is IRRELEVANT to the scientific debate and always has beenNO claims that scientists have “forgotten the sun,” “ignored regular cycles,” or "can’t go back more than a century with data: — they haven’t, that’s part of the evidence, and yes they can. Try to consider that a specialist in this field might know at least as much as someone trolling GoComics.com, let alone the ten thousand times more they actually do.Any REAL, thoughtful comments, e.g., on what we might try to do (which is admittedly a challenge given the available time) willnbe welcome.

The problem with deniers is that they abort the serious debate that needs to start now. Basically can we and do we try to stop the warming or do we start figuring out how to live with the new reality. Either approach is likely to be very expensive and require massive changes to the way we live. We probably can’t afford to do both. And if we wait to long we may not be able to do either.

“It’s just a flesh wound.”

But then it will snow in December and the number will go down to 30%.

Glaciers have been receding for hundreds of years.

History and science! Whatta combo!

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/

It tells SABRSteve absolutely nothing. He is an absolute denier, very like conspiracy freaks whose minds are totally closed to any but their own fantasies.

truth is not accepted, deniers will have to wake up sometime. I wish they were right. I wish the glacier ice were not melting at a foot an hour.I WIsh the polar bears were not losing the battle of melting ice. I would be overjoyed if they were right, but they are all either lying to themselves or others. Until a problem is admitted and addressed nothing helpful will be done.

Just a note to Mr. Joad, not that I expect you’ll actually see this, but the article has nothing new in it that hasn’t come up during every campaign. I will assume you are about college age, and have not seen many pre-millennial campaigns, but throughout our history, this has been the practice of quoting our politicians. In fact, many Americans did not know FDR required the use of a wheelchair during the entirety of his Presidency. The press has done this out of respect for the office, but it also has allowed Presidents and candidates the luxury of clarity of message. This is not necessarily censorship. That would be someone’s quote disappearing completely, which is not what the article is about.

The sad part is it doesn´t matter if there are millions of people denying it as long as the people who need to make the changes are.

“Deniers” should just “cool it”!

The fact that we can’t stop climate change at this point doesn’t mean we should give up trying to keep it from becoming worse. It’s like saying well, the garage is on fire, let’s give up on the house. Only an idiot (or a conservative) would make that argument.

motivemagus; That was so well put. Thank you for shining some sense on this.

“…could be worse, could be raining….”

I am a south-eastern conservative educated fundamentalist, who believes that GW is real. It is caused by the Sun.

Sung to the tune of “I’ve been workin’ on the Railroad”

Global Warming is upon uswe’re all going to dieGlobal Warming is upon uscarbon dioxide in the skyAnd the politicians ditherIndustries complainNo one’s making a decisionWe don’t want to change.

Not according to the glacial map I saw in Alaska. Forty years ago the scientists were saying we were headed to another Ice Age. Heck, i really have no idea.

Don’t worry. At the rate we’re going, our economy will collapse around our ears any day now.

Yeah, those pictures of ice free Greenland are really fakes.