Not all Viet Nam vets were U.S., many of us were R.A.. It’s the “all” volunteer that is still in question, given the economy of the last few decades, and cost of college going up that led many to join for the “benefits”.
“And sacrifice they do. Even under the Coward in Chief we have today.”The so called Coward in Chief is doing a Hell of a lot better than the Deserter in Chief could ever dream of.
My father in law was a fighter pilot in WWII. We have a lot of war worshippers in our family who always wanted him to talk about his brave adventures, and thought he was superior because of them.
The truth was, he was thoroughly disgusted by war, the politicians who use it so cynically, and the fake patriotism idiocy that generates the maudlin sensibilities of the gullible in order to keep the war machine going.
He knew that war is hell and he didn’t want anything to do with the ongoing glorification of the military that we see from faux patriots today. If his son’s number had come up for the Vietnam draft, he would have shipped him out to Canada at the first opportunity. Told me so himself.
To me, that man was a true hero and patriot.
Soldiers should be honored for the simple fact that they’re willing to die in service to their country. But, since war nowadays is simply the cynical machination of the powers that be rather than actual defense of our country, we really need to see that this is not glorious…it’s incredibly tragic.
“Morty”, the pure politics comes in when they’re out to make “field grade”, or major, not flag.
Ima again proving beneath contempt. I suggest you read just Chapter Two of “Rather Outspoken” by Dan Rather. The OVERWHELMING evidence of you’re precious "W"s DESERTION from the Texas National Guard did NOT depend on just a couple memos, that indeed were actually proven to be factual.
You might also want to read about his father, who bailed out, as aircraft commander in WW II, before his crew could get out of the plane, and they died (no, he KILLED THEM). It’s in his authorized (and weirdly inflated) biography “George Bush, HIs WW II years”. Which interestingly in addition to the cowardice of bailing out first, his “years” in WW II, were actually just four “special protective and cover his ass treatment” months in the Pacific.. HIs bombing of fishing boats flying the American flag (his penchant it seems) is also a pair of “interesting” anecdotes for consideration of the “non-weirdly-justified” story.
If soldiers are asked to pay the ultimate price for their service shouldn’t Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powell be asked to pay the price for their DISSERVICE in their criminal neglect and subsequent rush to invade and shock and awe people half way around the world?
^HEY! MItt was TOUGH! He spent his ‘Nam time as a volunteer missionary, in PARIS, and had to avoid drinking any of the wine!! Man, you can’t get much tougher than that!
(just a note, “military histories” of individuals who actually disgraced the uniform aren’t exactly “top notch”. Prescott Bush and Henry Ford were also vicious anti-Semites who backed Hitler early on, so that “family history” thing CAN come back to bite you.)
Tough pushing a religion cult in a beautiful European country . His church elders anointed him for the presidency when he was just a boy, to get revenge for the Mormons on the gentiles (everyone who isn’t a mormon).THis in itself would be a good reason NOT to vote for Romney!
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
Not all Viet Nam vets were U.S., many of us were R.A.. It’s the “all” volunteer that is still in question, given the economy of the last few decades, and cost of college going up that led many to join for the “benefits”.
cjr53 almost 12 years ago
What about conscription?
Nebulous Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Did we lose anyone in Libya? Militarily, I mean; I know there were American civilians not directly involved in the revolution that were casualties.
Jason Allen almost 12 years ago
“And sacrifice they do. Even under the Coward in Chief we have today.”The so called Coward in Chief is doing a Hell of a lot better than the Deserter in Chief could ever dream of.
kamwick almost 12 years ago
My father in law was a fighter pilot in WWII. We have a lot of war worshippers in our family who always wanted him to talk about his brave adventures, and thought he was superior because of them.
The truth was, he was thoroughly disgusted by war, the politicians who use it so cynically, and the fake patriotism idiocy that generates the maudlin sensibilities of the gullible in order to keep the war machine going.
He knew that war is hell and he didn’t want anything to do with the ongoing glorification of the military that we see from faux patriots today. If his son’s number had come up for the Vietnam draft, he would have shipped him out to Canada at the first opportunity. Told me so himself.
To me, that man was a true hero and patriot.
Soldiers should be honored for the simple fact that they’re willing to die in service to their country. But, since war nowadays is simply the cynical machination of the powers that be rather than actual defense of our country, we really need to see that this is not glorious…it’s incredibly tragic.
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
^Welcome home.
“Morty”, the pure politics comes in when they’re out to make “field grade”, or major, not flag.
Ima again proving beneath contempt. I suggest you read just Chapter Two of “Rather Outspoken” by Dan Rather. The OVERWHELMING evidence of you’re precious "W"s DESERTION from the Texas National Guard did NOT depend on just a couple memos, that indeed were actually proven to be factual.
You might also want to read about his father, who bailed out, as aircraft commander in WW II, before his crew could get out of the plane, and they died (no, he KILLED THEM). It’s in his authorized (and weirdly inflated) biography “George Bush, HIs WW II years”. Which interestingly in addition to the cowardice of bailing out first, his “years” in WW II, were actually just four “special protective and cover his ass treatment” months in the Pacific.. HIs bombing of fishing boats flying the American flag (his penchant it seems) is also a pair of “interesting” anecdotes for consideration of the “non-weirdly-justified” story.
joe vignone almost 12 years ago
If soldiers are asked to pay the ultimate price for their service shouldn’t Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powell be asked to pay the price for their DISSERVICE in their criminal neglect and subsequent rush to invade and shock and awe people half way around the world?
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
^HEY! MItt was TOUGH! He spent his ‘Nam time as a volunteer missionary, in PARIS, and had to avoid drinking any of the wine!! Man, you can’t get much tougher than that!
(just a note, “military histories” of individuals who actually disgraced the uniform aren’t exactly “top notch”. Prescott Bush and Henry Ford were also vicious anti-Semites who backed Hitler early on, so that “family history” thing CAN come back to bite you.)
pam Miner almost 12 years ago
Tough pushing a religion cult in a beautiful European country . His church elders anointed him for the presidency when he was just a boy, to get revenge for the Mormons on the gentiles (everyone who isn’t a mormon).THis in itself would be a good reason NOT to vote for Romney!
dannysixpack almost 12 years ago
@Ima,so that makes you a coward as well. since you and obama have this same thing in common.
dannysixpack almost 12 years ago
@imaand how do you defend dick cheney?
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
George Will: “bloviating ignoramus”. There you go, Ima!!
sw10mm almost 12 years ago
That’s why they call it volunteer. You have a choice. Thanks for spewing.
sw10mm almost 12 years ago
well done.
sw10mm almost 12 years ago
It’s not a job it’s an adventure in listening to your mudslinging.
sw10mm almost 12 years ago
For the same reason you’re allowed to stay.