Remember, Mittens made his fortune buying up American companies and breaking them up for assets, selling off equipment, customers, and jobs to the highest foreign bidder.
The man has no experience creating jobs, or indeed, doing anything for anyone other than himself.
He got his wealth started the old fashioned way, he inherited it. Though hard working, it is notable his “own” wealth came from “leveraged buyouts”, and when it comes to the “people”, would we be subject to a “sellout”? Then there’s the worshipping of gold and “gold plates”.
My level of discourse is typically very civil. It deteriorates involving LGBT topics because the rhetoric against us is borderline violent.
“American loving Conservatives ”
All American or just some?
I have nothing but respect for RomneyCare. It’s an example of what we can do to solve our nation’s problems in a cost-effective manner and should be a blue-print for moving our country forward to tackle rising healthcare costs and predatory insurance and hospital practices.
^ Interesting, Vortex. Cons have set the agenda and mostly run the show for 30 years, and done most of the talking, with Libs occasionally managing to get a word in, and not very effectively. How many years in the last 30 have Dems, let alone Libs, controlled both Congress and the White House?
But Cons think they are persecuted and bullied unless they get their own way ALL the time.
There is a weird theory circulating in some places that the President and VP, as the only people elected by the entire nation, the only people who represent the whole country, should not be ideological, but do what the PEOPLE want them to do, no matter what they believe personally.
Under this theory a President with no personal beliefs that matter could be a fine president indeed.
John Adams said that a representative is a paid agent. Just as a lawyer represents a person in court, acting in his name and on his behalf, so an elected representative is little more than the people’s lawyer, and is bound to do what the people who pay him want him to do, not necessarily what he thinks is best.
When you hire a lawyer, do you worry about what he believes, or whether he will do what you tell him to do?
Representative Democracy is based on the principle that the people and their representatives are one, and what the representatives do, the people do. Of course, the Founding Fathers could have been completely wrong, and Lenin and Hitler could have been right, who thought that elections are a sham, and democracy an illusion.
All power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people. Magistrates are the people’s trustees and servants and at all time answerable to them. … Government is instituted for the common benefit and security of the people. … The majority of the people have the absolute right to alter, reform, or abolish it, and institute such government as to them seems most likely to conduce to the public good. — The Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776. (Slightly paraphrased.)
It always amazes me that those who talk most about the Constitution are those who have most lost faith in the principles on which it is based, who seem to have abandoned the common enterprise that is this country, and who view their fellow Americans and the people they have chosen to represent them as their foes and their enemies.
They love America, but they seem to hate most of the people who live there, and are ready to dismiss tens of millions of them as “not real Americans.”
I was living in Massachusetts when Romney ran for governor and for the first half of his term. I have never in my life seen a politician with less in the way of principles and more in the way of self-promotion, which given the competition is saying a lot.
The man is a political chameleon who can always be counted on to say whatever he thinks is most likely to further his ambitions at any given moment. When running for governor he campaigned as a social liberal in favor of gay rights and “not a dime’s worth of difference” between him and his pro-choice opponent on abortion. Then Romney started campaigning for president and deflation hit Boston big time.
I recall when “Romney-care” was passed; Romney left the debate mostly to the legislature and then equivocated before deciding to embrace it. Now that he thinks he miscalculated, I’m not at all surprised he’s backtracking.
To any conservatives out there concerned that Romney does not share your core beliefs, let me assure you that he doesn’t. He may suck up to you as long as he wants something from you, but he’ll toss you overboard the second he sees some personal benefit in it. After all, that’s how he’s gotten this far.
alan.gurka about 13 years ago
Do I believe in anything? Yes, my allegiance goes to the highest bidder.
crlinder about 13 years ago
^”Why, I believe I deserve to be President.”
bob875m about 13 years ago
With a good running mate like Newt, he would be far better than most others, and certainly an improvement over the status quo.
HabaneroBuck about 13 years ago
Mitt has no chance! The GOP is angry at Obamacare, and he has no moral standing to oppose it.
Simon_Jester about 13 years ago
He’s a Mormon too. Doesn’t matter to me, but it won’t play in Dixie.
AdmNaismith about 13 years ago
Remember, Mittens made his fortune buying up American companies and breaking them up for assets, selling off equipment, customers, and jobs to the highest foreign bidder.
The man has no experience creating jobs, or indeed, doing anything for anyone other than himself.
William Bednar Premium Member about 13 years ago
But, Adam, that’s what makes Mitt so perfect for the GOP nomination!
Dtroutma about 13 years ago
He got his wealth started the old fashioned way, he inherited it. Though hard working, it is notable his “own” wealth came from “leveraged buyouts”, and when it comes to the “people”, would we be subject to a “sellout”? Then there’s the worshipping of gold and “gold plates”.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 13 years ago
If he’d actually own up to RomneyCare and how it’s actually improved the lives of people in Massachusetts he’d be a worthwhile candidate.
Their health care system is a good thing.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/mar/02/deval-patrick/deval-patrick-said-massachusetts-health-care-law-a/
Motivemagus about 13 years ago
Nope, a factual statement. To which you responded with insults.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 13 years ago
My level of discourse is typically very civil. It deteriorates involving LGBT topics because the rhetoric against us is borderline violent.
“American loving Conservatives ”
All American or just some?I have nothing but respect for RomneyCare. It’s an example of what we can do to solve our nation’s problems in a cost-effective manner and should be a blue-print for moving our country forward to tackle rising healthcare costs and predatory insurance and hospital practices.
Doughfoot about 13 years ago
^ Interesting, Vortex. Cons have set the agenda and mostly run the show for 30 years, and done most of the talking, with Libs occasionally managing to get a word in, and not very effectively. How many years in the last 30 have Dems, let alone Libs, controlled both Congress and the White House?
But Cons think they are persecuted and bullied unless they get their own way ALL the time.
Doughfoot about 13 years ago
There is a weird theory circulating in some places that the President and VP, as the only people elected by the entire nation, the only people who represent the whole country, should not be ideological, but do what the PEOPLE want them to do, no matter what they believe personally.
Under this theory a President with no personal beliefs that matter could be a fine president indeed.
John Adams said that a representative is a paid agent. Just as a lawyer represents a person in court, acting in his name and on his behalf, so an elected representative is little more than the people’s lawyer, and is bound to do what the people who pay him want him to do, not necessarily what he thinks is best.
When you hire a lawyer, do you worry about what he believes, or whether he will do what you tell him to do?
Just a thought.
Doughfoot about 13 years ago
Representative Democracy is based on the principle that the people and their representatives are one, and what the representatives do, the people do. Of course, the Founding Fathers could have been completely wrong, and Lenin and Hitler could have been right, who thought that elections are a sham, and democracy an illusion.
All power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people. Magistrates are the people’s trustees and servants and at all time answerable to them. … Government is instituted for the common benefit and security of the people. … The majority of the people have the absolute right to alter, reform, or abolish it, and institute such government as to them seems most likely to conduce to the public good. — The Virginia Declaration of Rights, 1776. (Slightly paraphrased.)
It always amazes me that those who talk most about the Constitution are those who have most lost faith in the principles on which it is based, who seem to have abandoned the common enterprise that is this country, and who view their fellow Americans and the people they have chosen to represent them as their foes and their enemies.
They love America, but they seem to hate most of the people who live there, and are ready to dismiss tens of millions of them as “not real Americans.”
mdblanche about 13 years ago
I was living in Massachusetts when Romney ran for governor and for the first half of his term. I have never in my life seen a politician with less in the way of principles and more in the way of self-promotion, which given the competition is saying a lot.
The man is a political chameleon who can always be counted on to say whatever he thinks is most likely to further his ambitions at any given moment. When running for governor he campaigned as a social liberal in favor of gay rights and “not a dime’s worth of difference” between him and his pro-choice opponent on abortion. Then Romney started campaigning for president and deflation hit Boston big time.
I recall when “Romney-care” was passed; Romney left the debate mostly to the legislature and then equivocated before deciding to embrace it. Now that he thinks he miscalculated, I’m not at all surprised he’s backtracking.
To any conservatives out there concerned that Romney does not share your core beliefs, let me assure you that he doesn’t. He may suck up to you as long as he wants something from you, but he’ll toss you overboard the second he sees some personal benefit in it. After all, that’s how he’s gotten this far.
pirate227 about 13 years ago
I believe… whatever you want me to believe…