^^ it’s a very lame toon. Voters have nothing to do with who becomes Speaker, or who becomes Minority leader. Their votes determine which party is in the majority, not whom their leaders are. The GOP chose to run as if Pelosi was on the ballot because she has become a negative figure. This toon continues that misinformation and is still very lame; members of the House Democrats can and will vote for whomever they want.
The voters sent a message about leadership in Washington. I doubt anyone but Nancy Pelosi thinks that she should still be a national figurehead of the party.
Pelosi was a great speaker of the house. The rabid right wouldn’t have attacked her with so many empty criticisms if she weren’t being effective.
If only the senate had been as effective, we’d have a public option in the health care reform, and we’d have an attempt to deal with climate change – which is even a bigger threat to America than the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.
Howie, I don’t get your comment at all. If I was being loyal to Pelosi, I’d be ranting about how she should be elected Minority Leader. I’m not. It doesn’t matter to me. It’s a decision of the Dems and that’s exactly what it should be. Same as for GOP and its leadership positions internally.
Lib1: The Republicans did to Pelosi what the Democrats did to Palin and Bush. It just worked better for the Republicans.
First, your analogy fails the smell test. Isn’t analogous. Not even close. What did the Dems do to Bush, anyway? Disagree with him? OK, that’s democracy. What did the Dems do to Palin? Think she was a very poor choice for VP candidate? Yup, so did the majority of the American people.
Yes, American people, lib1, not right or left, or Dems or Reps. The only thing Palin has been elected to is Gov. of Alaska, which she quit mid-term. The county said no to McCain and Palin.
You, and others, keep missing such a straightforward simple thing. The Speaker of the House is not a national office; it is a leadership position for the Majority party. Different Speakers approach the job differently. Gingrinch treated it as national office and hoped to take it to the presidency. Pelosi treated it as an inside leadership position and was effective at getting legislation passed, even though many of the bills never got out of the Senate.
The GOP ran against Pelosi as if she was a national office holder, and it helped them because she was effectively demonized. Explaining why it was effective is worthy of a long essay.
I never thought much of Pelosi’s “leadership”(impeachment is off the table). The potential of what Boehner might lead the House to makes me think of the county pound. That they’ve picked Greg Walden to “lead” their “transition” says as much or more about where they’re headed:blatant lying and incompetence WILL be the order of the day.
@lib1. You make comments to me, ask me questions, I respond. I ask you questions, you ignore. You’ve got a pattern of hit and run when things you’ve posted don’t hold up to scrutiny or facts. So, partial quote from exchange above:
Lib1: The Republicans did to Pelosi what the Democrats did to Palin and Bush. It just worked better for the Republicans.
First, your analogy fails the smell test. Isn’t analogous. Not even close. What did the Dems do to Bush, anyway? Disagree with him? OK, that’s democracy. What did the Dems do to Palin? Think she was a very poor choice for VP candidate? Yup, so did the majority of the American people.
Yes, American people, lib1, not right or left, nor Dems or Reps. The only thing Palin has been elected to is Gov. of Alaska, which she quit mid-term on her own for her own reasons. The country said no to McCain and Palin.
I would like to add an important point here believecommonsense to your statement …”The country said no to McCain and Palin …”
America lost a huge opportunity by saying no to McCain … a mistake that has cost so much to this country, I’m afraid …
ditto, Libertarian1….!
the Voters replaced 61 Democrat’s House seats with 61 Republicans, and a few races are still being counted….
Pelosi will never leave….her party is divided over her expectation to be elected Minority Leader….the Majority and the House police may have a problem with moving her to a minority office (a large Broom Closet would be appropriate, ha) and who will take her flight pass for use of the Pentagon’s largest Jets????
p.s. what has Palin to do with “I’m here to stay” Pelosi??
the Democrats and their MSM allies and the nonprofit supporters of Democrats did everything possible to make Palin’s life as difficult as possible by filing dozens of FALSE charges and harrassing her government staffers and causing them all personal expenses to hire defense attorneys for all the FALSE charges. Palin gave the reins of Alaska’s government to a trusted 2nd in command to save Alaska from gridlock governing. She made the welfare of the Alaskan people’s government a priority, not her pride at being elected Governor! That is an admirable and selfless quality in a “politician”…..
disgusted, a few facts get in the way of your analysis. Ethics charges were brought against Palin by Alaska residents before she was selected by McCain. She lost in the courts on a couple of big charges: charging per diem travel expenses for days she spent “governing” from her home; and charging Alaska citizens for her children’s airfare to take them on shopping trips while she went to a conference.
You need not bother to respond. It’s clear you are not interested in little things called facts.
^ Just an interesting aside. it has been estimated that every single American violates over 100 laws per day. We just have too many laws.
If a political party wishes to get an opponent 100% of them have violated something. Usually it is I will leave you alone if you leave me alone. Sometimes like Waters and Rangel it is just too too blatant. Note their “trial” was postponed until after the election and now they want the charges brought up before January.
If you really think Obama growing up in the Chicago machine is clean you are too naive. Ditto Bush, Biden etc etc.
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
Benson, the “voters” did re-elect Pelosi. Voters don’t elect Speakers or Minority leaders, or haven’t you heard that little factoid. Lame, lame toon.
jamescag over 13 years ago
Forget the Facelift … get the Forklift ….!!!
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
^^ it’s a very lame toon. Voters have nothing to do with who becomes Speaker, or who becomes Minority leader. Their votes determine which party is in the majority, not whom their leaders are. The GOP chose to run as if Pelosi was on the ballot because she has become a negative figure. This toon continues that misinformation and is still very lame; members of the House Democrats can and will vote for whomever they want.
HabaneroBuck over 13 years ago
The voters sent a message about leadership in Washington. I doubt anyone but Nancy Pelosi thinks that she should still be a national figurehead of the party.
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
^^BCS
The Republicans did to Pelosi what the Democrats did to Palin and Bush. It just worked better for the Republicans.
Pelosi must have been a product of the sixties “Hell no, I won’t go”.
ARodney over 13 years ago
Pelosi was a great speaker of the house. The rabid right wouldn’t have attacked her with so many empty criticisms if she weren’t being effective.
If only the senate had been as effective, we’d have a public option in the health care reform, and we’d have an attempt to deal with climate change – which is even a bigger threat to America than the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.
jamescag over 13 years ago
ARodney said …. “Peloony was a great speaker of the house ???@#!!? … What planet are you from???????????
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
Howie, I don’t get your comment at all. If I was being loyal to Pelosi, I’d be ranting about how she should be elected Minority Leader. I’m not. It doesn’t matter to me. It’s a decision of the Dems and that’s exactly what it should be. Same as for GOP and its leadership positions internally.
Lib1: The Republicans did to Pelosi what the Democrats did to Palin and Bush. It just worked better for the Republicans.
First, your analogy fails the smell test. Isn’t analogous. Not even close. What did the Dems do to Bush, anyway? Disagree with him? OK, that’s democracy. What did the Dems do to Palin? Think she was a very poor choice for VP candidate? Yup, so did the majority of the American people. Yes, American people, lib1, not right or left, or Dems or Reps. The only thing Palin has been elected to is Gov. of Alaska, which she quit mid-term. The county said no to McCain and Palin.
You, and others, keep missing such a straightforward simple thing. The Speaker of the House is not a national office; it is a leadership position for the Majority party. Different Speakers approach the job differently. Gingrinch treated it as national office and hoped to take it to the presidency. Pelosi treated it as an inside leadership position and was effective at getting legislation passed, even though many of the bills never got out of the Senate.
The GOP ran against Pelosi as if she was a national office holder, and it helped them because she was effectively demonized. Explaining why it was effective is worthy of a long essay.
Sometimes you make so little sense.
oneoldhat over 13 years ago
i want pelooski for minority leader– in 2012 , 2014 ,2016 ………
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
What will righties whine about once their beloved “Nazi Pelosi” is gone?
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
^ Why Democrats target Palin.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
I never thought much of Pelosi’s “leadership”(impeachment is off the table). The potential of what Boehner might lead the House to makes me think of the county pound. That they’ve picked Greg Walden to “lead” their “transition” says as much or more about where they’re headed:blatant lying and incompetence WILL be the order of the day.
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
What a fabulous start!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703805004575606643067587042.html?mod=djemalertNEWS
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
@lib1. You make comments to me, ask me questions, I respond. I ask you questions, you ignore. You’ve got a pattern of hit and run when things you’ve posted don’t hold up to scrutiny or facts. So, partial quote from exchange above:
Lib1: The Republicans did to Pelosi what the Democrats did to Palin and Bush. It just worked better for the Republicans.
First, your analogy fails the smell test. Isn’t analogous. Not even close. What did the Dems do to Bush, anyway? Disagree with him? OK, that’s democracy. What did the Dems do to Palin? Think she was a very poor choice for VP candidate? Yup, so did the majority of the American people. Yes, American people, lib1, not right or left, nor Dems or Reps. The only thing Palin has been elected to is Gov. of Alaska, which she quit mid-term on her own for her own reasons. The country said no to McCain and Palin.
jamescag over 13 years ago
I would like to add an important point here believecommonsense to your statement …”The country said no to McCain and Palin …” America lost a huge opportunity by saying no to McCain … a mistake that has cost so much to this country, I’m afraid …
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
^^ The country said no to Pelosi. She is no longer Speaker.
disgustedtaxpayer over 13 years ago
ditto, Libertarian1….! the Voters replaced 61 Democrat’s House seats with 61 Republicans, and a few races are still being counted….
Pelosi will never leave….her party is divided over her expectation to be elected Minority Leader….the Majority and the House police may have a problem with moving her to a minority office (a large Broom Closet would be appropriate, ha) and who will take her flight pass for use of the Pentagon’s largest Jets????
p.s. what has Palin to do with “I’m here to stay” Pelosi?? the Democrats and their MSM allies and the nonprofit supporters of Democrats did everything possible to make Palin’s life as difficult as possible by filing dozens of FALSE charges and harrassing her government staffers and causing them all personal expenses to hire defense attorneys for all the FALSE charges. Palin gave the reins of Alaska’s government to a trusted 2nd in command to save Alaska from gridlock governing. She made the welfare of the Alaskan people’s government a priority, not her pride at being elected Governor! That is an admirable and selfless quality in a “politician”…..
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
disgusted, a few facts get in the way of your analysis. Ethics charges were brought against Palin by Alaska residents before she was selected by McCain. She lost in the courts on a couple of big charges: charging per diem travel expenses for days she spent “governing” from her home; and charging Alaska citizens for her children’s airfare to take them on shopping trips while she went to a conference.
You need not bother to respond. It’s clear you are not interested in little things called facts.
Libertarian1 over 13 years ago
^ Just an interesting aside. it has been estimated that every single American violates over 100 laws per day. We just have too many laws.
If a political party wishes to get an opponent 100% of them have violated something. Usually it is I will leave you alone if you leave me alone. Sometimes like Waters and Rangel it is just too too blatant. Note their “trial” was postponed until after the election and now they want the charges brought up before January.
If you really think Obama growing up in the Chicago machine is clean you are too naive. Ditto Bush, Biden etc etc.