Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. (Calvin to Hobbes) Bill Watterson
The background for John Varley’s “Eight Worlds” stories and novels was that Jovians, who were big fans of whale songs, crushed human civilization on earth, and left a warning for humans to stay away from Earth. It now belonged to the whales.
More advanced civilization would likely use communication techniques that we do not have the means of detecting. Less advanced would not even try and those at our level might be too far away for us to have as yet received their signals.
Given that “we” can not communicate with any of the existing life forms on earth.. trees.. bugs.. birds.. fish…………… It should be no surprise that we can’t communicate with an alien life. Perhaps, when they learn American English.. but why would they bother..
“Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly 90 Million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planed whose ape-descended lifeforms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea!”
It was good to see the media finally taking UFO’s seriously, and I believe aliens might be visiting us, but pretty sure we can rule out that they have little rear-view mirrors with bouncing dice! Lol
To follow up on Old Coal’s comments, Allen Steele’s book Arkwright has pretty much that second scenario. A “ship” is launched with various embryos (human and animal) which will be quickened when the ship reaches it’s destination (hundreds of years after launch). Automatic equipment is used to help start terraforming operations before that. It’s pretty well thought out, including the launch operation. Protection against cosmic radiation will be a significant consideration.
As for shielding from interstellar marbles, the solution is to launch ahead of the main ship a series of ships which expel material such as aerogels or carbon fibers that make up shield ahead of the ship. In fact, with careful design of operations and material, a “cloud” of protective material can be placed almost all around the primary ship.Prelaunching small radar/lidar probes layered ahead of the ship could provide warning of larger objects.
At 242 kts, it is not exactly outflying the fighter.
Frankly, the only thing that makes this look real (as opposed to a video sim) is what we are told about the display. Where’s the actual proof that this is real?
I should mention that back in 1980 I designed some of the optical elements in the F-18/A flight simulator. That system had a 40 foot dome upon which various objects (missiles, aircraft) were projected as moving objects. Optical design, electronics and computers have come a long way since then.
This simulator is more for aircraft handling simulation rather than combat simulation. You’re not likely to see demos of the latter, which should be much better than the one I worked on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQA9oBPEgzE
If you see only that forward view, it looks pretty real, no?
Simulating what an IR sensor would see can also be done. The military does that routinely for missiles used to destroy tanks, aircraft, etc. etc etc.
So, no, I don’t regard that video as “proof” of anything without considerable supporting evidence.
Dtroutma over 6 years ago
Seen UFO’s we also have SETI, but the real answer is why would any advanced civilization capable of getting here, want to talk to any of us?
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 6 years ago
Maybe they’re hoping for something even better than The Three Stooges.
lopaka over 6 years ago
I think they will contact the porpoises. Aliens are smart.
preacherman over 6 years ago
Yes, like with hump back whales in Star Trek 4 and Seaquest with the porpoises. Of course, in V, the aliens saw us as a good meal.
Masterskrain Premium Member over 6 years ago
Not even the Porgs would bother with us!
NRHAWK Premium Member over 6 years ago
Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. (Calvin to Hobbes) Bill Watterson
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 6 years ago
The background for John Varley’s “Eight Worlds” stories and novels was that Jovians, who were big fans of whale songs, crushed human civilization on earth, and left a warning for humans to stay away from Earth. It now belonged to the whales.
Radish the wordsmith over 6 years ago
There is no intelligent life in Washington DC.
superposition over 6 years ago
More advanced civilization would likely use communication techniques that we do not have the means of detecting. Less advanced would not even try and those at our level might be too far away for us to have as yet received their signals.
martens over 6 years ago
Or, alternatively, technological intelligence may be a lethal trait for a species…
retpost over 6 years ago
Look who was voted to run the US, if you watched the news they even got the winter solstice wrong.
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 6 years ago
Given that “we” can not communicate with any of the existing life forms on earth.. trees.. bugs.. birds.. fish…………… It should be no surprise that we can’t communicate with an alien life. Perhaps, when they learn American English.. but why would they bother..
Masterskrain Premium Member over 6 years ago
“Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small, unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly 90 Million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planed whose ape-descended lifeforms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea!”
feverjr Premium Member over 6 years ago
And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere out in space, ‘Cause there’s bugger all down here on Earth! Monty Python
Masterskrain Premium Member over 6 years ago
“Beam me up, Scotty. There’s no intelligent life down here!”
Squoop over 6 years ago
It was good to see the media finally taking UFO’s seriously, and I believe aliens might be visiting us, but pretty sure we can rule out that they have little rear-view mirrors with bouncing dice! Lol
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 6 years ago
To follow up on Old Coal’s comments, Allen Steele’s book Arkwright has pretty much that second scenario. A “ship” is launched with various embryos (human and animal) which will be quickened when the ship reaches it’s destination (hundreds of years after launch). Automatic equipment is used to help start terraforming operations before that. It’s pretty well thought out, including the launch operation. Protection against cosmic radiation will be a significant consideration.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 6 years ago
As for shielding from interstellar marbles, the solution is to launch ahead of the main ship a series of ships which expel material such as aerogels or carbon fibers that make up shield ahead of the ship. In fact, with careful design of operations and material, a “cloud” of protective material can be placed almost all around the primary ship.Prelaunching small radar/lidar probes layered ahead of the ship could provide warning of larger objects.
Radish the wordsmith over 6 years ago
So what was that thing that out flew the jet fighter and was photographed?
https://www.space.com/39169-aliens-may-exist-pentagon-ufo-program-chief.html
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 6 years ago
One of Elon Musk’s little toys… or may Bezos …
At 242 kts, it is not exactly outflying the fighter.
Frankly, the only thing that makes this look real (as opposed to a video sim) is what we are told about the display. Where’s the actual proof that this is real?
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 6 years ago
I should mention that back in 1980 I designed some of the optical elements in the F-18/A flight simulator. That system had a 40 foot dome upon which various objects (missiles, aircraft) were projected as moving objects. Optical design, electronics and computers have come a long way since then.
This simulator is more for aircraft handling simulation rather than combat simulation. You’re not likely to see demos of the latter, which should be much better than the one I worked on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQA9oBPEgzE
If you see only that forward view, it looks pretty real, no?
Simulating what an IR sensor would see can also be done. The military does that routinely for missiles used to destroy tanks, aircraft, etc. etc etc.
So, no, I don’t regard that video as “proof” of anything without considerable supporting evidence.