Pence has an old school fundamentalist interpretation of the bible, but there is another younger generation on Evangelicals …
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While the mostly white religious right was gaining political and cultural power over the last 40 years, evangelicalism became as much a political and racial identity as a religious or theological one.
Survey research and election polls have failed to differentiate the differences within the movement between whites, Latinos, African-Americans and Asians who all share the same basic evangelical theology, but who may part company over other social and moral issues.
For example, in most surveys and political polls, “evangelical” is limited to white believers, with others who may be similar theologically being classified into other racial/ethnically identified categories such as “Black Protestant,” “Latino Protestant” or “Other nonwhite Protestant.”
Further, as with all religious groups in the U.S., the evangelical movement began struggling to keep its young people in the fold. Recent research shows that among young adults who were identified as evangelicals as teenagers, only 45 percent can still be identified as such.
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“When you start to examine the teachings of Jesus, you’re going to end up seeing that justice matters, that we have a responsibility to care for the poor. Younger evangelicals are basically using those same hermeneutical tools to study the Bible and are saying, wait a minute, not only is there nothing wrong with caring about justice, there’s something wrong with not [caring].”
@masterlrain…the real difference between trump and pence is stark. Pence is delusional in an accepted fashion—he is a right wing conservative “Christian” and carries all the usual nonsense stemming from those beliefs. There are millions and millions of these folks. They have a set of beliefs that have been deemed “normal” in our society. And, in truth, the vast majority of these people mean well and many of them are kind, thoughtful, and try to do the right thing.
Pence’s Christianity is a bit on the extreme side, of course, and I find that repugnant, but his beliefs are shared by millions of my fellow citizens, and I respect them along with the other belivers. Matters of politics aside, on balance, the Christian part of this equation is troubling in some ways, but not terribly troubling.
However, trump is mentally ill, and we ignore the compulsive nature of his disorder at our peril. The thing is, we really don’t want to admit that we elected someone so terribly mentally ill to the presidency. What does it say about us as a people that we cannot even recognize such extreme behaviors as only coming from a truly mentally disturbed individual? Why is the obvious so hard to see? The danger is that we think there’s a method to the madness apart from the madness itself. That trump, in some way not yet demonstrated, is, as jlocke asserts, playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. This is observably not true. The compulsive nature of the man is visible, transparent, even.
Poor pathetic trump has no sense of right and wrong. No conscience. Is completely amoral. Lies with every statement in an unprecedented way. His malignant narcissism is just that. His ADD just “adds” to the mix, making him volatile and compulsive. This is not politics. This is a mental disorder. Not senility. A profound sickness. This illness doesn’t absolve him from responsibility, however. It is not his fault he’s sick. But he is completely responsible for everything he does.
For all the hatred of Adolph Hitler, without him there may not be a current Israel, the U.S. might not be the world power it is today as Europe would not have lost its industrial facilities allowing America to fill the void. We might not have gone to the moon and a host of other outcomes from having WWII.
Might Trump and conservatives force another societal shift?
I think the big difference between Trump and Pence is that Trump is a better showman than Pence by orders of magnitude. Trump could get re-elected in 2020. I don’t think Pence could. No charisma to get supporters to the polls. Nor do I think Pence could get his religious agenda into action or would be as destructive on foreign policy as Trump with his white nationalist agenda and abrogation of treaties and agreements. I’d guess that an Article 25 removal would leave us a bit better off than we are now.
The GOP is always full of righteous stunts. You should see what they did to the supreme court all under the fake line of doing what the voters wanted. Irresponsible and unaccountable. The Republicans want the poor to do as they say and the rich to do as they do
wiatr over 6 years ago
I can’t see Pence going to any of these places without his little brunette minder.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 6 years ago
The whole GOP is run by morons. How old is the Earth, Mr. Pence?
Ontman over 6 years ago
Who cares about Rex. Show the rest of the world he’s not a moron….or has that ship sailed?
Radish the wordsmith over 6 years ago
If you are tired of Republican morons, stop voting for them.
Masterskrain Premium Member over 6 years ago
The main difference between these two creeps is that Preacher Pence is Evil, but Donnie Dumpsterfire is Evil AND Stupid!
superposition over 6 years ago
Pence has an old school fundamentalist interpretation of the bible, but there is another younger generation on Evangelicals …
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While the mostly white religious right was gaining political and cultural power over the last 40 years, evangelicalism became as much a political and racial identity as a religious or theological one.
Survey research and election polls have failed to differentiate the differences within the movement between whites, Latinos, African-Americans and Asians who all share the same basic evangelical theology, but who may part company over other social and moral issues.
For example, in most surveys and political polls, “evangelical” is limited to white believers, with others who may be similar theologically being classified into other racial/ethnically identified categories such as “Black Protestant,” “Latino Protestant” or “Other nonwhite Protestant.”
Further, as with all religious groups in the U.S., the evangelical movement began struggling to keep its young people in the fold. Recent research shows that among young adults who were identified as evangelicals as teenagers, only 45 percent can still be identified as such.
…
“When you start to examine the teachings of Jesus, you’re going to end up seeing that justice matters, that we have a responsibility to care for the poor. Younger evangelicals are basically using those same hermeneutical tools to study the Bible and are saying, wait a minute, not only is there nothing wrong with caring about justice, there’s something wrong with not [caring].”
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https://crcc.usc.edu/how-a-new-generation-is-changing-evangelical-christianity/
twclix over 6 years ago
@masterlrain…the real difference between trump and pence is stark. Pence is delusional in an accepted fashion—he is a right wing conservative “Christian” and carries all the usual nonsense stemming from those beliefs. There are millions and millions of these folks. They have a set of beliefs that have been deemed “normal” in our society. And, in truth, the vast majority of these people mean well and many of them are kind, thoughtful, and try to do the right thing.
Pence’s Christianity is a bit on the extreme side, of course, and I find that repugnant, but his beliefs are shared by millions of my fellow citizens, and I respect them along with the other belivers. Matters of politics aside, on balance, the Christian part of this equation is troubling in some ways, but not terribly troubling.
However, trump is mentally ill, and we ignore the compulsive nature of his disorder at our peril. The thing is, we really don’t want to admit that we elected someone so terribly mentally ill to the presidency. What does it say about us as a people that we cannot even recognize such extreme behaviors as only coming from a truly mentally disturbed individual? Why is the obvious so hard to see? The danger is that we think there’s a method to the madness apart from the madness itself. That trump, in some way not yet demonstrated, is, as jlocke asserts, playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. This is observably not true. The compulsive nature of the man is visible, transparent, even.
Poor pathetic trump has no sense of right and wrong. No conscience. Is completely amoral. Lies with every statement in an unprecedented way. His malignant narcissism is just that. His ADD just “adds” to the mix, making him volatile and compulsive. This is not politics. This is a mental disorder. Not senility. A profound sickness. This illness doesn’t absolve him from responsibility, however. It is not his fault he’s sick. But he is completely responsible for everything he does.
Thomas Thieme over 6 years ago
Would you rather be screwed over by a madman or a religious fanatic?
Frankfreak over 6 years ago
For all the hatred of Adolph Hitler, without him there may not be a current Israel, the U.S. might not be the world power it is today as Europe would not have lost its industrial facilities allowing America to fill the void. We might not have gone to the moon and a host of other outcomes from having WWII.
Might Trump and conservatives force another societal shift?
martens over 6 years ago
I think the big difference between Trump and Pence is that Trump is a better showman than Pence by orders of magnitude. Trump could get re-elected in 2020. I don’t think Pence could. No charisma to get supporters to the polls. Nor do I think Pence could get his religious agenda into action or would be as destructive on foreign policy as Trump with his white nationalist agenda and abrogation of treaties and agreements. I’d guess that an Article 25 removal would leave us a bit better off than we are now.
Teto85 Premium Member over 6 years ago
Nice to see Denny “kiddie diddler” Hastert in a prominent place.
braindead Premium Member over 6 years ago
Pence in his short tenure as VP has not had many opportunities to lie,
but he has absolutely made the most of every opportunity.
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And he did not wait to start lying — he did it while still being the director of the transition team.
The perfect Republican.
Union Man over 6 years ago
I am tired of all this winning how about all of you?
GaryCooper over 6 years ago
Of course, politics is another industry that coddles sexual predators. Examples abound. Mostly Republican, but some Ds, too.
Mr. Blawt over 6 years ago
The GOP is always full of righteous stunts. You should see what they did to the supreme court all under the fake line of doing what the voters wanted. Irresponsible and unaccountable. The Republicans want the poor to do as they say and the rich to do as they do