Seems likely. But, much as those who still think they won the war and wave that battle flag today, aren’t worth much, many of those leaders honored as southerners were men of courage, not like the ones wearing sheets, or shooting up prayer groups, Planned Parenthood offices, or other nuts with guns who assault innocents. It should be noted btw that Quran specifically and often condemns those who attack women, children, or the innocent.
Most of these statues were erected by Neo-Confederate groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy long after the Civil War to continue the myth of the “Lost Cause of the Confederacy”. And to teach blacks that the former slave-holders were still in power.
Erasing history does not change history. If you push it down and erase the vestiges of the past, it will be forgotten. Just like the snowflakes saying that you cannot name a building X because the guy was racist or owned slaves.
While I don’t like it, it is history.
“The truth does not change according to your ability to stomach it.” Flannery O’Connor.
As for the nothings in the white sheets, you are nothing but a coward. If you had honor, you would not do things under the cover of darkness or under a sheet with holes in it.
There are still confederates infesting our government, with the likes of former grand Wizard Mitch McConnell, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and too many still entrenched in Congress. All of whom would gladly sacrifice the United States to Russia or China if it meant erasing our history of electing, twice, a black man whose administration rescued the U.S. from the almost imminent disaster created by a white president selected by a conservative Supreme Court.
The present day Republicans are the Party of Jefferson Davis while Lincoln moved to the Democrats. And soon he won’t have a party of the Democrats continue their slide Reich wing ward to the Republicans and their Plutocrat Worship.
One thing Charlottesville is not home to is the KKK. The Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which turned up in C’ville on Saturday is from North Carolina.
About 30 members of the hate group were escorted to and from the rally by police in riot gear. When has the police ever escorted Black Lives Matter as they protested? The KKK was outnumbered by a counter protest. More than 100 officers of the state, county, and university assisted city police to keeping the calm, and protect the Klan.
After the rally ended, wearing riot gear and gas masks, the police declared the counter protesters “an unlawful assembly” and used gas canisters to compel them to leave the area. 22 people were arrested (three people ended up in the hospital).
The Klan isn’t local to C’ville, but many of the counter protesters were, and they let the hate group know they’re not welcome in their city or the state of Virginia for that matter.
I saw a post lately that said, “They fought to defend our rights, let’s fight to defend their memory.” But it didn’t say what those rights were. I think it was primarily the right to own slaves. I also have seen posts claiming that the Confederate flag commemorates Southern heritage. Well, there’s a lot that’s good that came from the South. There’s a lot of southern writers, for instance, including Faulkner, who (in my opinion) is the greatest American writer of the 20th century. But there’s also Robert Johnson, the great blues singer, and hundreds of others, including Memphis Minnie and Muddy Waters and I can name a hundred more, and all the great jazz musicians, and so many heroes of the civil rights movement, and so on. Does the Confederate flag include that part of the Southern heritage? No, when people say the flag represents Southern heritage, they mean white Southern heritage.
@LI’L OL’ ME, @MDAVIS4183You need to read up on your history. Many of the statues being removed were explicit attempts to reinforce a white supremacist – and thus false – view of history. Indeed, one of the statues removed from New Orleans commemorated a violent takeover of the post-Civil-War government by white supremacists — and they USED THE TERM on their statue’s base. If you don’t believe me, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liberty_Place_Monument
Robert E. Lee was never IN New Orleans, so putting a statue of him there was only celebrating a traitor who tried to save a rebellious set of states based on human bondage.
For more of the history and more examples of this, I strongly recommend Lies Across America by James Loewen.
And @MDavis4183 — stop repeating that lie, please. Democrats are not erasing their past. In the 1960s the parties reversed places as regarding race relations, and if you don’t know that, you’ve had nearly fifty years to do so. Catch up.
Dtroutma almost 7 years ago
Seems likely. But, much as those who still think they won the war and wave that battle flag today, aren’t worth much, many of those leaders honored as southerners were men of courage, not like the ones wearing sheets, or shooting up prayer groups, Planned Parenthood offices, or other nuts with guns who assault innocents. It should be noted btw that Quran specifically and often condemns those who attack women, children, or the innocent.
erik.vanthienen almost 7 years ago
Most of these statues were erected by Neo-Confederate groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy long after the Civil War to continue the myth of the “Lost Cause of the Confederacy”. And to teach blacks that the former slave-holders were still in power.
Masterskrain Premium Member almost 7 years ago
And they STILL continue to get trolled on-line by fake Antifa groups, and it’s STILL hilarious!
Mr. Blawt almost 7 years ago
Even Robert E Lee can’t believe how crazy the racists have become!
"It's the End of the World!!!" Premium Member almost 7 years ago
Erasing history does not change history. If you push it down and erase the vestiges of the past, it will be forgotten. Just like the snowflakes saying that you cannot name a building X because the guy was racist or owned slaves.
While I don’t like it, it is history.
“The truth does not change according to your ability to stomach it.” Flannery O’Connor.
As for the nothings in the white sheets, you are nothing but a coward. If you had honor, you would not do things under the cover of darkness or under a sheet with holes in it.
Stephen Runnels Premium Member almost 7 years ago
There are still confederates infesting our government, with the likes of former grand Wizard Mitch McConnell, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and too many still entrenched in Congress. All of whom would gladly sacrifice the United States to Russia or China if it meant erasing our history of electing, twice, a black man whose administration rescued the U.S. from the almost imminent disaster created by a white president selected by a conservative Supreme Court.
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] almost 7 years ago
The present day Republicans are the Party of Jefferson Davis while Lincoln moved to the Democrats. And soon he won’t have a party of the Democrats continue their slide Reich wing ward to the Republicans and their Plutocrat Worship.
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] almost 7 years ago
From Clay Jones’ blog:
One thing Charlottesville is not home to is the KKK. The Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which turned up in C’ville on Saturday is from North Carolina.
About 30 members of the hate group were escorted to and from the rally by police in riot gear. When has the police ever escorted Black Lives Matter as they protested? The KKK was outnumbered by a counter protest. More than 100 officers of the state, county, and university assisted city police to keeping the calm, and protect the Klan.
After the rally ended, wearing riot gear and gas masks, the police declared the counter protesters “an unlawful assembly” and used gas canisters to compel them to leave the area. 22 people were arrested (three people ended up in the hospital).
The Klan isn’t local to C’ville, but many of the counter protesters were, and they let the hate group know they’re not welcome in their city or the state of Virginia for that matter.
lonecat almost 7 years ago
I saw a post lately that said, “They fought to defend our rights, let’s fight to defend their memory.” But it didn’t say what those rights were. I think it was primarily the right to own slaves. I also have seen posts claiming that the Confederate flag commemorates Southern heritage. Well, there’s a lot that’s good that came from the South. There’s a lot of southern writers, for instance, including Faulkner, who (in my opinion) is the greatest American writer of the 20th century. But there’s also Robert Johnson, the great blues singer, and hundreds of others, including Memphis Minnie and Muddy Waters and I can name a hundred more, and all the great jazz musicians, and so many heroes of the civil rights movement, and so on. Does the Confederate flag include that part of the Southern heritage? No, when people say the flag represents Southern heritage, they mean white Southern heritage.
Nantucket Premium Member almost 7 years ago
When Charlie Daniels sings “the South is going to do it again” I always wonder exactly what he means by that.
Motivemagus almost 7 years ago
@LI’L OL’ ME, @MDAVIS4183You need to read up on your history. Many of the statues being removed were explicit attempts to reinforce a white supremacist – and thus false – view of history. Indeed, one of the statues removed from New Orleans commemorated a violent takeover of the post-Civil-War government by white supremacists — and they USED THE TERM on their statue’s base. If you don’t believe me, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liberty_Place_Monument
Robert E. Lee was never IN New Orleans, so putting a statue of him there was only celebrating a traitor who tried to save a rebellious set of states based on human bondage.
For more of the history and more examples of this, I strongly recommend Lies Across America by James Loewen.
And @MDavis4183 — stop repeating that lie, please. Democrats are not erasing their past. In the 1960s the parties reversed places as regarding race relations, and if you don’t know that, you’ve had nearly fifty years to do so. Catch up.