Our country is in bad shape, because it appears that our President, his Administration and every member of Congress are Godless, self serving individuals who are focused on money, power and prestige, especially, money. The only reason any of them ever attend services is to fool their constituents into believing that they are religious. And every Administration and Congress have been this way for as long as I can remember.
Every problem that faces this country is the result of their acts, which were almost always a result of their greed. The money they took from others, both legal and illegal, obligated them to do favors, usually at the expense of the country.
I’m 63 and I can’t remember a single Administration, or Congress that I believed to be honest, or that I trusted. And I personally believe that Godless people should not be running this country, and that those who wrote the Constitution were wrong to separate God and God’s Virtues from the decision making process of our politicians.
Since they won’t police themselves, we need to let them know that we’ve had enough of their greedy and selfish ways, by voting out both the Democrat and Republican incumbents who are running in November. If we do the same thing in the following two elections, we’ll have an entirely new Administration and Congress, who will know that if they want to keeps their cushy jobs, then they must do what’s right for the country, instead of just themselves.
Unfortunately america is on its fast course of becoming the way africa became and how mexico became. Pillaged of its resources by Godless heathens and then deserted.
Only God is good.
America was obtained through battles and force, it will depart the same way.
Africa and Mexico were doing quite well while ruled by Godless heathens. The ones who pillaged their resources were the Christian heathens who felt the need to “convert” the natives and take all their gold.
I thought the godless heathens were those European invaders who felt the need to “convert” and pillage. And I say that as a Christian.
Regarding Will80’s comment, it seems that this entire country is filled with self-serving, narcissistic people who only want what’s best for themselves. Why blame just the politicians?
And if our system of government is so horrible, why do so many (who condemn it) continue to claim it’s the best in the world.
Is it greedy politicians that are to blame or is it greedy corporations and the top 2% of the richest who have purchased the politicians? We are constantly told it is the government that is bad. Large corporations have spent millions of dollars to convince teapartiers and others that government is the cause of all of our problems. I really believe that those who have bought and paid for our government are the real problem.
Will80 - So … our laws should include Slavery (God condoned, “slaves, obey your masters and know that yours is the Kingdom of Heaven”), subjugate Black people (Curse of Ham), deny women the right to vote (“women, serve your husbands”), execute adulterers, execute disobedient children, execute homosexuals, punish men and women who cross-dress, forbid interaction with women on their period… oh the list goes on… . These are tenets of the Christian Bible, by the way, and would be the result of not cherry-picking pet beliefs to enforce like Evangelicals and their gay bashing.
Personally I don’t think I would want to be a slave just cause I was born a certain color or creed.
^^ Technically it’s “thou shalt not murder” but that’s a story for another time; doesn’t deal with the rest of my statement, though. And what of other religious, do we lock those people up with the gays, adulterers, divorcees, and thieves (instead of “killing” them)?
Fear of God leadeth to wisdom.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/1-7.html
Instill the fear of God in human’s. Let each human take thought to God. God is always watching and always present.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/18-20.html
God has every solution to every problem.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/romans/passage.aspx?q=romans+11:33-36
Thou shalt not kill.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/exodus/20-13.html
Be satisfied.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/hebrews/13-5.html
Love God and Love your neighbor.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/matthew/passage.aspx?q=matthew+22:36-40
God is Love.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-john/4-8.html
Read the words and anybody can tell you they are very clear and do not mention a seperation. Religion was ment to seprate from a decaying world not to be used against one another. We are each fragile creations of God and only by God’s mercy can we achieve all that we desire.
“The premise that government can not establish a religion keeps it from adopting all of those things that you don’t like”
Accusing someone of being “Godless” because they keep their faith and the law separate (though many don’t and that’s why our honorable soldiers in the military are discriminated against) is essentially attacking a separation of church and state.
“Why why why do you always jump to the extreme? Of course no one wants those things as law.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100918/ap_on_re_us/us_gays_in_montana
GOP in Montana wants to make homosexuality illegal.
I can get you sources on my statements about Texas and the history of selective enforcement of anti-sodomy laws. I can get you the statements from Sharon Angle that call homosexuality more dangerous than terrorists. I can get you the statements from Paladino saying that we’re not worth the same as human beings. I can get you some bigoted statements from the DADT-supporting Republicans. I can get you Bob McDonnell’s thesis as a graduate of Pat Robertson’s college about how women in the workplace are ruining the country and that only straight families should be considered by the government – that last one resonates throughout several members of the GOP such that some believe gays shouldn’t be allowed to adopt and there are bans on gay adoption in many states. I can point out the support and the CREATION of the “death to homosexuals” bill in Uganda that started from Conservatives on C-Street.
If I’m jumping to “extremes” then you haven’t been paying attention.
@Bruce4671 - Now if you’re referring to tenets such as “forgiveness, tolerance, preaching love and embracing your enemies, looking out for your neighbor, living up to what you preach, helping the poor, and self sacrifice” then that’s different, but honestly, show me an individual who is running without fear of losing their seat that runs on that sort of “adherence to the Bible,” because it’s just not what gets them votes. They get votes by attacking people that their constituents don’t like, and that’s the minute population who were born wired to like people of the same sex. People like Olympia Snowe are going the way of the dodo. A “moderate Republican” is seen as a traitor and has a big bullseye on their back. Moderate Republicans have been devoured by their extreme right Tea party challengers.
You stand for equal rights, yes, but you know what, believing that gays should have the same rights as straights pretty much gets you labeled as “Godless,” too, you know. That label is dangerous.
Howgozit wrote: “As long as moochers are looking for freebies, there will be Democrat voters trying to keep them in power no matter what.”
The moochers looking for freebies ARE the corporate heads leaning on Republicans to write laws that give them more of our money - or squash laws that require regulation.
The biggest moochers in the country are the top 2%.
“no religious test shall EVER be required as a qualification to ANY office or public trust under the United States.” Article VI of the Constitution.
“Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect God is just”. Thomas Jefferson-1784
Given how many nations we’ve overtly or covertly invaded in recent decades, or the way the right turns their back to those in need, including their own families, for personal profit, I can think of nobody with more need to tremble than the “religious right”. Those who abuse their faith AND the very foundations of this nation, are neither “religious”, nor patriots.
The constitution separates religion from the State, not God. It is impossible to seperate any living thing (even the tiniest bacteria) from God.
Yet what the Tea Party wants is religion, not God or spirituality. There is a difference; Spirituality is a relationship between the indivudial and God or life and the afterlife. Religion is a relationship between the individuals among a society. It’s main advantage is to assure some coherance between people in THIS life, not the other. Spirituality is something you live alone. You ask yourself questions and yet you know you’ll only have part of an answer by the time you die. Religion, on the other hand, has all easy-to-think answers made millenias ago by other people and followed, most often, just because “it’s religion”, or “tradition”.
The human being is a pack animal. He needs rules to include people and exclude others. That’s just the way humans are.
At its worst, religion can even block spirituality, since the dominant component of religious fervor is often pride. You wouldn’t know how many catholic priests and nuns have not chosen their life but were dumped in a seminar at age twelve just because it made the family proud. In those conditions, how can we blame priests who became paedophiles later?
Ever noticed how religious people always tell others to change their lives because it’s “against God”, that “God didn’t made man to lie with man”? Yet, as they eat a hamburger from a factory farm, do they wonder if God intended cows, herbivores, to be fed with grain, or even cow meat, be cloned, artificially inseminated, fed antibiotics and growth hormones, pigs to be castrated (in fact, Leviticus doesn’t want us to eat pok AT ALL), chicken to have their beaks cut off, to have breasts so big they can barely walk, corn to be under patent and genetically modified…God wanted that???
The holier-than-thou christian will answer “well, we all do it”. And there you have the whole point of religion as they practice it; tighten up the tribe by persecuting those religion says are not part of it.
Meanwhile, gay teens and “different” children, as young as ten, are bullied and called “fags” by other children who dare to voice out the homophobia their parents hide in public. So many homosexual adults have problems with drugs, alcohol or depression and a bit of spirituality, even a bit of church, would help them get their life in hand but they won’t turn to church for one sad reason; They have been told so many times, for so long, that God hates then and that they are an abomination that deep inside, they believe themselves that God hates them and won’t help them
dtroutma, thats a nice usurp from Article VI of the Constitution.
If that is so, than those that wrote the constitution are implying that a murderer CAN become president and hold office and to not let them do so, is against the constitution. For it is well known that the bible was written at least 2000 years ago and instructs man, as a law, to not murder. So, murder is legal in the eyes of Government due to that “seperation of church and state” statement.
Will80 over 13 years ago
Our country is in bad shape, because it appears that our President, his Administration and every member of Congress are Godless, self serving individuals who are focused on money, power and prestige, especially, money. The only reason any of them ever attend services is to fool their constituents into believing that they are religious. And every Administration and Congress have been this way for as long as I can remember.
Every problem that faces this country is the result of their acts, which were almost always a result of their greed. The money they took from others, both legal and illegal, obligated them to do favors, usually at the expense of the country.
I’m 63 and I can’t remember a single Administration, or Congress that I believed to be honest, or that I trusted. And I personally believe that Godless people should not be running this country, and that those who wrote the Constitution were wrong to separate God and God’s Virtues from the decision making process of our politicians.
Since they won’t police themselves, we need to let them know that we’ve had enough of their greedy and selfish ways, by voting out both the Democrat and Republican incumbents who are running in November. If we do the same thing in the following two elections, we’ll have an entirely new Administration and Congress, who will know that if they want to keeps their cushy jobs, then they must do what’s right for the country, instead of just themselves.
comYics over 13 years ago
Well put Will80.
Unfortunately america is on its fast course of becoming the way africa became and how mexico became. Pillaged of its resources by Godless heathens and then deserted.
Only God is good.
America was obtained through battles and force, it will depart the same way.
Nebulous Premium Member over 13 years ago
Keep your history straight.
Africa and Mexico were doing quite well while ruled by Godless heathens. The ones who pillaged their resources were the Christian heathens who felt the need to “convert” the natives and take all their gold.
Charles Brobst Premium Member over 13 years ago
Wanting sensible solutions to modern problems is perfectly sane. Wanting to return to the 18th century, madness.
cdward over 13 years ago
I thought the godless heathens were those European invaders who felt the need to “convert” and pillage. And I say that as a Christian.
Regarding Will80’s comment, it seems that this entire country is filled with self-serving, narcissistic people who only want what’s best for themselves. Why blame just the politicians?
And if our system of government is so horrible, why do so many (who condemn it) continue to claim it’s the best in the world.
eepatte over 13 years ago
Is it greedy politicians that are to blame or is it greedy corporations and the top 2% of the richest who have purchased the politicians? We are constantly told it is the government that is bad. Large corporations have spent millions of dollars to convince teapartiers and others that government is the cause of all of our problems. I really believe that those who have bought and paid for our government are the real problem.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
Will80 - So … our laws should include Slavery (God condoned, “slaves, obey your masters and know that yours is the Kingdom of Heaven”), subjugate Black people (Curse of Ham), deny women the right to vote (“women, serve your husbands”), execute adulterers, execute disobedient children, execute homosexuals, punish men and women who cross-dress, forbid interaction with women on their period… oh the list goes on… . These are tenets of the Christian Bible, by the way, and would be the result of not cherry-picking pet beliefs to enforce like Evangelicals and their gay bashing.
Personally I don’t think I would want to be a slave just cause I was born a certain color or creed.
comYics over 13 years ago
We are looking at a worldwide solution. Thou shall not kill and thou shalt not steal are universal and cause all creation to be at peace.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
^^ Technically it’s “thou shalt not murder” but that’s a story for another time; doesn’t deal with the rest of my statement, though. And what of other religious, do we lock those people up with the gays, adulterers, divorcees, and thieves (instead of “killing” them)?
cjkinsey over 13 years ago
I hate false equivalencies.
comYics over 13 years ago
Fear of God leadeth to wisdom. http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/proverbs/1-7.html
Instill the fear of God in human’s. Let each human take thought to God. God is always watching and always present. http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/18-20.html
God has every solution to every problem. http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/romans/passage.aspx?q=romans+11:33-36
Thou shalt not kill. http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/exodus/20-13.html
Be satisfied. http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/hebrews/13-5.html
Love God and Love your neighbor. http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/matthew/passage.aspx?q=matthew+22:36-40
God is Love. http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/1-john/4-8.html
Read the words and anybody can tell you they are very clear and do not mention a seperation. Religion was ment to seprate from a decaying world not to be used against one another. We are each fragile creations of God and only by God’s mercy can we achieve all that we desire.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
“The premise that government can not establish a religion keeps it from adopting all of those things that you don’t like”
Accusing someone of being “Godless” because they keep their faith and the law separate (though many don’t and that’s why our honorable soldiers in the military are discriminated against) is essentially attacking a separation of church and state.“Why why why do you always jump to the extreme? Of course no one wants those things as law.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100918/ap_on_re_us/us_gays_in_montana GOP in Montana wants to make homosexuality illegal. I can get you sources on my statements about Texas and the history of selective enforcement of anti-sodomy laws. I can get you the statements from Sharon Angle that call homosexuality more dangerous than terrorists. I can get you the statements from Paladino saying that we’re not worth the same as human beings. I can get you some bigoted statements from the DADT-supporting Republicans. I can get you Bob McDonnell’s thesis as a graduate of Pat Robertson’s college about how women in the workplace are ruining the country and that only straight families should be considered by the government – that last one resonates throughout several members of the GOP such that some believe gays shouldn’t be allowed to adopt and there are bans on gay adoption in many states. I can point out the support and the CREATION of the “death to homosexuals” bill in Uganda that started from Conservatives on C-Street. If I’m jumping to “extremes” then you haven’t been paying attention.rockngolfer over 13 years ago
Someone wrote this a couple of weeks ago and I have saved some comments as text to think about later:
I respect people who talk to God I fear people who God talks to. I run from people who want to tell me what God said.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
@Bruce4671 - Now if you’re referring to tenets such as “forgiveness, tolerance, preaching love and embracing your enemies, looking out for your neighbor, living up to what you preach, helping the poor, and self sacrifice” then that’s different, but honestly, show me an individual who is running without fear of losing their seat that runs on that sort of “adherence to the Bible,” because it’s just not what gets them votes. They get votes by attacking people that their constituents don’t like, and that’s the minute population who were born wired to like people of the same sex. People like Olympia Snowe are going the way of the dodo. A “moderate Republican” is seen as a traitor and has a big bullseye on their back. Moderate Republicans have been devoured by their extreme right Tea party challengers.
You stand for equal rights, yes, but you know what, believing that gays should have the same rights as straights pretty much gets you labeled as “Godless,” too, you know. That label is dangerous.
cdward over 13 years ago
Howgozit wrote: “As long as moochers are looking for freebies, there will be Democrat voters trying to keep them in power no matter what.”
The moochers looking for freebies ARE the corporate heads leaning on Republicans to write laws that give them more of our money - or squash laws that require regulation.
The biggest moochers in the country are the top 2%.
pirate227 over 13 years ago
Looks like a game of chicken.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
“no religious test shall EVER be required as a qualification to ANY office or public trust under the United States.” Article VI of the Constitution.
“Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect God is just”. Thomas Jefferson-1784
Given how many nations we’ve overtly or covertly invaded in recent decades, or the way the right turns their back to those in need, including their own families, for personal profit, I can think of nobody with more need to tremble than the “religious right”. Those who abuse their faith AND the very foundations of this nation, are neither “religious”, nor patriots.
myming over 13 years ago
the religious input will never cease as long as people believe that god has something to do w/ politics - or people lol…
BoxCar66 over 13 years ago
Some really good comments. Nice job.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
The constitution separates religion from the State, not God. It is impossible to seperate any living thing (even the tiniest bacteria) from God.
Yet what the Tea Party wants is religion, not God or spirituality. There is a difference; Spirituality is a relationship between the indivudial and God or life and the afterlife. Religion is a relationship between the individuals among a society. It’s main advantage is to assure some coherance between people in THIS life, not the other. Spirituality is something you live alone. You ask yourself questions and yet you know you’ll only have part of an answer by the time you die. Religion, on the other hand, has all easy-to-think answers made millenias ago by other people and followed, most often, just because “it’s religion”, or “tradition”.
The human being is a pack animal. He needs rules to include people and exclude others. That’s just the way humans are. At its worst, religion can even block spirituality, since the dominant component of religious fervor is often pride. You wouldn’t know how many catholic priests and nuns have not chosen their life but were dumped in a seminar at age twelve just because it made the family proud. In those conditions, how can we blame priests who became paedophiles later? Ever noticed how religious people always tell others to change their lives because it’s “against God”, that “God didn’t made man to lie with man”? Yet, as they eat a hamburger from a factory farm, do they wonder if God intended cows, herbivores, to be fed with grain, or even cow meat, be cloned, artificially inseminated, fed antibiotics and growth hormones, pigs to be castrated (in fact, Leviticus doesn’t want us to eat pok AT ALL), chicken to have their beaks cut off, to have breasts so big they can barely walk, corn to be under patent and genetically modified…God wanted that???
The holier-than-thou christian will answer “well, we all do it”. And there you have the whole point of religion as they practice it; tighten up the tribe by persecuting those religion says are not part of it.
Meanwhile, gay teens and “different” children, as young as ten, are bullied and called “fags” by other children who dare to voice out the homophobia their parents hide in public. So many homosexual adults have problems with drugs, alcohol or depression and a bit of spirituality, even a bit of church, would help them get their life in hand but they won’t turn to church for one sad reason; They have been told so many times, for so long, that God hates then and that they are an abomination that deep inside, they believe themselves that God hates them and won’t help them
Spiritual murder.
dannysixpack over 13 years ago
i like the distinctions between “god” and “religion”.
personally i think the road to hell was paved when monotheism was considered an improvement over polytheism.
to me it’s pretty obvious that there is a god of the sea, and a god of the winds, etc….
the native americans got it right. too bad they got slaughtered by godless puritans.
dan
comYics over 13 years ago
dtroutma, thats a nice usurp from Article VI of the Constitution.
If that is so, than those that wrote the constitution are implying that a murderer CAN become president and hold office and to not let them do so, is against the constitution. For it is well known that the bible was written at least 2000 years ago and instructs man, as a law, to not murder. So, murder is legal in the eyes of Government due to that “seperation of church and state” statement.