Any one who thinks any elected tea party folks are going to do anything are smoking crack.
They have no clue how DC operates, no connections and neither party is going to work with them.
Two years down the tubes.
The Tea Partiers fall into three categories: clueless people who won’t be able to work the system, people who are using the Tea Party to get into office and will do nothing new once there, and people who are now being used and managed by the Republican establishment (e.g., Rand Paul).
Not a good sign for making progress.
Tigger – the so-called Republican Pledge increases the deficit far more than the Democratic plan does. I’ve heard no ideas from the R’s than “Extend all tax cuts.” When given a chance to help the deficit they’ve always blocked them. They’ve fillibustered attempts to eliminate the tax-loophole that lets hedge-fund managers pay extremely low taxes, they’ve fillibustered attempts to remove special tax breaks for oil companies, they’ve fillibustered an attempt to remove the tax incentives for shipping jobs over seas. Those are the easy, obvious, logical choices. How are the Rs going to make any tough choices?
Deficits and debt are not the same thing. Debt built slowly for nearly 200 years, until Ronald Reagan took office. In 12 years of Republican leadership, it went up over 400%. Clinton in 8 years managed to stave off the climb, at 24% . “W”, took over, and counting the first year of the Obama term, which WAS the “Final Bush budget year”–it was run up to $12 Trillion, give or take a “minor” amount. Nearly DOUBLING THE DEBT! (A billion here, a billion there, and you eventually are talking real money!)
IF that “private sector” would do its job and use some “free market” to build the jobs government “can’t produce”- and more millionaires and billionaires stopped counting their wealth, and started actually investing in America, instead of their own interests, which ONLY rose because our government provided the market for them, we might level things off.
Church, yes, Congress, both House and Senate “write the budget”, the President recommends what he wants, then signs or vetoes. So, why do all the Republicans proclaim every budget, and for that matter, bill, like health care, is Obama’s?? It IS a disgrace that nothing can clear Congress. But, it is Boehner and crew, and McConnell and crew, that are obstructing all progress, not the Dems, although the “blue dogs” certainly aren’t helping anything.
A little cooperation might just remove the slag from some of those bills, submitted by BOTH parties- but resolution is NOT ON THE REPUBLICAN AGENDA!!
BTW, continuing resolutions are way too common with regard to the budget, for way too long, so the government need not “shut down”, but it makes things difficult, well not for “Defense” appropriations.
Jack, bill has a point, more than one, actually. “your own comments are what is of embarrassment” is so grammitically wrong, it’s hard to tell exactly what you meant to say. Do you understand how to use punctuation other than the period?
..and you do know some TPers have been reading Alinsky and using some of his organizing ideas, right? Otherwise, you’re bringing up an irrelevant fact.
If you wish to compare the 60’s radicals to the TPers, you must understand that it IS more serious when those behind the movement aren’t college students staging sit-ins and protest marches, but those who are rich enough to buy congressmen, as well as buy the votes of millions of the gullible, such as yourself. One is using the political process, the other subverts it.
kreole over 13 years ago
Good presentation.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
http://tinyurl.com/22rcjmd
alan.gurka over 13 years ago
Results:
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tomcib over 13 years ago
Any one who thinks any elected tea party folks are going to do anything are smoking crack. They have no clue how DC operates, no connections and neither party is going to work with them. Two years down the tubes.
Motivemagus over 13 years ago
The Tea Partiers fall into three categories: clueless people who won’t be able to work the system, people who are using the Tea Party to get into office and will do nothing new once there, and people who are now being used and managed by the Republican establishment (e.g., Rand Paul). Not a good sign for making progress.
Justice22 over 13 years ago
TEA party is just a catchy acronym for foolish people.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
Oh, Bruce, look it up. Then post the urls here.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
“people who are using the Tea Party to get into office and will do nothing new once there”
Like Scott Brown.pirate227 over 13 years ago
“Any one who thinks any elected tea party folks are going to do anything are smoking crack.”
It appears that’s where they recruit their candidates from… no wait, that’s the funny farm I’m thinking of.
ARodney over 13 years ago
Tigger – the so-called Republican Pledge increases the deficit far more than the Democratic plan does. I’ve heard no ideas from the R’s than “Extend all tax cuts.” When given a chance to help the deficit they’ve always blocked them. They’ve fillibustered attempts to eliminate the tax-loophole that lets hedge-fund managers pay extremely low taxes, they’ve fillibustered attempts to remove special tax breaks for oil companies, they’ve fillibustered an attempt to remove the tax incentives for shipping jobs over seas. Those are the easy, obvious, logical choices. How are the Rs going to make any tough choices?
Spaghettus1 over 13 years ago
^ Very true, Rodney
The two greatest builders of our current debt are Reagan and Bush II. Look up the numbers, Tigger.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
Health Care reform bill cost - $1 trillion over 10 years = X. Permanent extension of Bush tax cuts - $4 trillion over 10 years = Y.
Y > X
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Deficits and debt are not the same thing. Debt built slowly for nearly 200 years, until Ronald Reagan took office. In 12 years of Republican leadership, it went up over 400%. Clinton in 8 years managed to stave off the climb, at 24% . “W”, took over, and counting the first year of the Obama term, which WAS the “Final Bush budget year”–it was run up to $12 Trillion, give or take a “minor” amount. Nearly DOUBLING THE DEBT! (A billion here, a billion there, and you eventually are talking real money!)
IF that “private sector” would do its job and use some “free market” to build the jobs government “can’t produce”- and more millionaires and billionaires stopped counting their wealth, and started actually investing in America, instead of their own interests, which ONLY rose because our government provided the market for them, we might level things off.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
Toles Friday rant is here:
http://tinyurl.com/2dzrvrb
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Church, yes, Congress, both House and Senate “write the budget”, the President recommends what he wants, then signs or vetoes. So, why do all the Republicans proclaim every budget, and for that matter, bill, like health care, is Obama’s?? It IS a disgrace that nothing can clear Congress. But, it is Boehner and crew, and McConnell and crew, that are obstructing all progress, not the Dems, although the “blue dogs” certainly aren’t helping anything.
A little cooperation might just remove the slag from some of those bills, submitted by BOTH parties- but resolution is NOT ON THE REPUBLICAN AGENDA!!
BTW, continuing resolutions are way too common with regard to the budget, for way too long, so the government need not “shut down”, but it makes things difficult, well not for “Defense” appropriations.
Spaghettus1 over 13 years ago
Jack, bill has a point, more than one, actually. “your own comments are what is of embarrassment” is so grammitically wrong, it’s hard to tell exactly what you meant to say. Do you understand how to use punctuation other than the period?
..and you do know some TPers have been reading Alinsky and using some of his organizing ideas, right? Otherwise, you’re bringing up an irrelevant fact.
If you wish to compare the 60’s radicals to the TPers, you must understand that it IS more serious when those behind the movement aren’t college students staging sit-ins and protest marches, but those who are rich enough to buy congressmen, as well as buy the votes of millions of the gullible, such as yourself. One is using the political process, the other subverts it.