Substitute Boy Scouts/Brownies for the Church and their leaders for the priests. Then see how long it takes for the police and the justice system to take action against these peadophiles. Congrats on the cartoon Wiley for another example of comedy going where politicians dare not.
HappyChappy, the irony is that I’m a pastor who had to deal with the fallout of the Boy Scout leader of the troop that uses our hall being arrested for pedophilia. Still, the Boy Scouts deal much more quickly and honestly with this issue – and many denominations (not RC) have adopted their guidelines for child safety because they are so good.
For an organization that is largely run by volunteers, they have their act muchmore together and are much more concerned about protecting their charges than protecting their leaders’ posteriors.
cdward: just to let you know: Many of the RC dioceses across the country have tightened the rules for laypeople working with children. There are now mandatory classes to be taken, and people have to get criminal background checks before they’re allowed to be catechism teachers, lead youth groups, etc. I’m not sure the ordained ones have to go through these steps.
Perhaps they aren’t pedophile suspects, rather the larger argument is surpressing science and education. Galileo, Copernicus and others must be smiling at Wiley now.
Anyone else remember the Satanic Ritual Abuse scandals? They never found evidence of anything but the kids being misled by investigators and I suspect some or a lot of that goes on here, too, along with the sound of the church money gravy train. Figure out the agenda of the media “investigating” allegations with gossip for evidence and the police and authorities like the Roethlesberger DA who released the “evidence” including the info on what they DIDN’T find who have THEIR agenda and the Church that has THEIRS and then we can talk.
Some of the problem likely does exist and the church is culpable for not dealing with it immediately and getting ahead on investigations since the Catholics have their own staffs to look into the accusations. From what can be gathered there may indeed be enough for the line-up Wiley portrays and that’s about it until the real evidence surfaces.
Interesting that the entire Church is guilty until a few priests are proved innocent. I can hardly blame them for expecting the worst, though I can find fault in not dealing with the worst.
The “church” is guilty of protecting these priests. I doubt that their motives were pure - wonder how much the ‘church’ rakes in each month worldwide? Wouldn’t want to damage the ‘holy revenue stream’.
Flagged ninmas, who is apparently the spammer of the day. Same comment in multiple strips.
Hey, iamtxmilady - it’s roman numerals, not roman catholic numerals.
cdward - “…many denominations (not RC) have adopted their guidelines for child safety because they are so good…”
The RC dioceses in the US have adopted a strict set of guidelines to respond to allegations of abuse, including notifying law enforcement and removing the accused from assignments pending investigation.
littledutchboy, you asked about the lewreader/joe joust yesterday– it is confusing because by the time you got to it, lew had pulled his comment–which was along the lines of where is joe to explain this comic to us — so joe took offense and others commented on the comments and the comments to the comments….
it WAS funny, but I guess lew didn’t want the controversy
Interesting you should say that: it was a 13th century Catholic that came up with that expression – well the wording and language was a bit different, but the sentiment was the same.
Wiley could have included a fifth suspect, the one that would have stood out in any other line-up, who doesn’t realize that he may be vindicated by virtue of the others in the line-up
Brilliant cartoon, very sad situation. There are bad people in every institution, and the good people should not have to share the blame. The problem here is that the Church hierarchy tried to duck its responsibility – and even now the hierarchy seems only slowly and reluctantly to be facing up to the situation.
So many things that are just WRONG in the above comments… If I started in, GoComics would need to add another terabyte or six of drives… Folks, PLEASE do some research before you bash someone. The Church has ALWAYS denounced this behavior - although the definition of “child” has shifted over the centuries. What’s different NOW is that there are civil criminal penalties that weren’t in place in previous centuries…. to go along with the changing definition of “child”. Is a 12-year-old a child? was a 12-year-old a child in the 18th Century? The sixth? The first? (Hint: Mary, the Blessed Virgin, is believed to have been in her teens when she bore Jesus.)
I’m in agreement with freeholder, and I can’t…quite…choose the right way to build up runar’s self-esteem without getting busted by the Humorless Squad.
III looks like Cardinal Roger Maphoney. GUILTY AS SIN ITSELF. Covers up for child molesting priests and yet calls the people of Arizona Nazis for passing a law to protect their citizens from violent illegal immigrants. His only concern is the drop in cash flow these aliens bring to the catholic church.
I laughed when I noticed the strip about priests, pope and others with the roman letters/numbers. How brilliant Wiley does the work on that strip? Wiley, you are way too brilliant for that funny strip. Thanks!
By the way, these priests, bishops and others look clean with the halos above their heads, but behind their backs, they are just hypocrites for sexually abusing on the childrens. I don’t like the way they do the harms on the childrens but let God judge on them anyway.
Yes, I agree that there have been many abuses, some recorded and many ignored, in fact there is evidence of many such abuses by churches or other religious organizatons that were kept under wraps to protect themselves and others, (can you say “Rich Patrons”?) Kings, Royals and (you fill the blanks) and even today we best remember that the original sin was INVENTED BY THE CHURCH to scare the bleeep of everyone else, But we must also remember that some if at least one person within those church (es) did some good in their lifetime and we know very litlle of them, and they did not expected to be recognized That is called “Love for your Brethren”
”cdward: just to let you know: Many of the RC dioceses across the country have tightened the rules for laypeople working with children. There are now mandatory classes to be taken, and people have to get criminal background checks before they’re allowed to be catechism teachers, lead youth groups, etc. I’m not sure the ordained ones have to go through these steps.”
Yes, we do–if anything, we have even stricter rules now.
It doesn’t matter how many there were or are, for the life of me I can’t figure out why anybody, much less a bishop, would cover up such horrendous crimes. They should have been arrested and tried immediately. No other thought should have crossed anyone’s mind. It’s beyond disgusting…..As for the cartoon, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Maybe the charge was murder….
Kaero, I was kidding. However, I was all set to write up the scenario as a fake news story and submit it to The Onion, but found out that they don’t accept work from freelancers. That really bothered me.
If they worked in ANY other kind of profession, people would never have even stopped to punish them. They would have been thrown in as much trouble with the law as Goldman Sachs.
It isn’t a good thing that we let religious organizations get away with this stuff. They should be tried in court as any other person would be.
What I have trouble with, is the fact that instead of ex-communication and legal punishment, many were just transferred and continue to abuse children in different locations.
Another fabulous strip Wiley! You go where angels fear to tread.
Radio- Forced sex is rape – doesn’t matter how old the “child” is. And when the molestations were taking place – 40s, 50s, 60s, etc., children were children until age 21.
There’s one suspect missing in the line-up that would make it even harder to choose the right culprit: the devil- who could tell them apart?. So I would suggest all the above in that case. “Bookem’ all, Dano!”.
WoodEye almost 14 years ago
At least they caught some real criminals this time….
rayannina almost 14 years ago
Too true to be funny …
farflungfloyd almost 14 years ago
Ooooooh, hot button topic. Put ‘em all in prison, I say. Let the system deal with them.
MeMow_MyCat almost 14 years ago
Nah, I don’t want to feed them…shoot ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out. They deserve it!
rottenprat almost 14 years ago
I’m so tired of this Too-Big-To-Fail argument…
lazygrazer almost 14 years ago
Looking forward to the comments on your prophesy, Wiley….
Donna Haag almost 14 years ago
Absolutely love the roman catholic numerals.
Allison Nunn Premium Member almost 14 years ago
Wiley is spot on as usual! (complete with the “Roman” numerals!) Love it!!
HappyChappy almost 14 years ago
Substitute Boy Scouts/Brownies for the Church and their leaders for the priests. Then see how long it takes for the police and the justice system to take action against these peadophiles. Congrats on the cartoon Wiley for another example of comedy going where politicians dare not.
grapfhics almost 14 years ago
It’s called “Stalling, the Men’s Room Game of Life”
TheWildSow almost 14 years ago
Brownies are girls, and the leaders must be female.
cdward almost 14 years ago
HappyChappy, the irony is that I’m a pastor who had to deal with the fallout of the Boy Scout leader of the troop that uses our hall being arrested for pedophilia. Still, the Boy Scouts deal much more quickly and honestly with this issue – and many denominations (not RC) have adopted their guidelines for child safety because they are so good.
For an organization that is largely run by volunteers, they have their act muchmore together and are much more concerned about protecting their charges than protecting their leaders’ posteriors.
DolphinGirl78 almost 14 years ago
Good Morning to ALL!!
HidariMak almost 14 years ago
It’ll be a long time coming for this day, as well. Unfortunately, it won’t be today, but thanks for doing a cartoon that is so relevant.
earodrig Premium Member almost 14 years ago
cdward: just to let you know: Many of the RC dioceses across the country have tightened the rules for laypeople working with children. There are now mandatory classes to be taken, and people have to get criminal background checks before they’re allowed to be catechism teachers, lead youth groups, etc. I’m not sure the ordained ones have to go through these steps.
Potrzebie almost 14 years ago
Perhaps they aren’t pedophile suspects, rather the larger argument is surpressing science and education. Galileo, Copernicus and others must be smiling at Wiley now.
freeholder1 almost 14 years ago
Anyone else remember the Satanic Ritual Abuse scandals? They never found evidence of anything but the kids being misled by investigators and I suspect some or a lot of that goes on here, too, along with the sound of the church money gravy train. Figure out the agenda of the media “investigating” allegations with gossip for evidence and the police and authorities like the Roethlesberger DA who released the “evidence” including the info on what they DIDN’T find who have THEIR agenda and the Church that has THEIRS and then we can talk.
Some of the problem likely does exist and the church is culpable for not dealing with it immediately and getting ahead on investigations since the Catholics have their own staffs to look into the accusations. From what can be gathered there may indeed be enough for the line-up Wiley portrays and that’s about it until the real evidence surfaces.
Interesting that the entire Church is guilty until a few priests are proved innocent. I can hardly blame them for expecting the worst, though I can find fault in not dealing with the worst.
ChazNCenTex almost 14 years ago
Very cogent cartoon.
The “church” is guilty of protecting these priests. I doubt that their motives were pure - wonder how much the ‘church’ rakes in each month worldwide? Wouldn’t want to damage the ‘holy revenue stream’.
rmbdot almost 14 years ago
Flagged ninmas, who is apparently the spammer of the day. Same comment in multiple strips.
Hey, iamtxmilady - it’s roman numerals, not roman catholic numerals.
cdward - “…many denominations (not RC) have adopted their guidelines for child safety because they are so good…”
The RC dioceses in the US have adopted a strict set of guidelines to respond to allegations of abuse, including notifying law enforcement and removing the accused from assignments pending investigation.
Nighthawks Premium Member almost 14 years ago
littledutchboy, you asked about the lewreader/joe joust yesterday– it is confusing because by the time you got to it, lew had pulled his comment–which was along the lines of where is joe to explain this comic to us — so joe took offense and others commented on the comments and the comments to the comments…. it WAS funny, but I guess lew didn’t want the controversy
brewwitch almost 14 years ago
MeMow_MyCat said,
“…shoot ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out.”
Interesting you should say that: it was a 13th century Catholic that came up with that expression – well the wording and language was a bit different, but the sentiment was the same.
DevXIII almost 14 years ago
@rayannnina
Indeed..
palos almost 14 years ago
Wiley could have included a fifth suspect, the one that would have stood out in any other line-up, who doesn’t realize that he may be vindicated by virtue of the others in the line-up
i_am_the_jam almost 14 years ago
And then there are the RCC’s coverups in Mexico…
ninmas almost 14 years ago
“all sanity is lost.”
lonecat almost 14 years ago
Brilliant cartoon, very sad situation. There are bad people in every institution, and the good people should not have to share the blame. The problem here is that the Church hierarchy tried to duck its responsibility – and even now the hierarchy seems only slowly and reluctantly to be facing up to the situation.
RadioTom almost 14 years ago
So many things that are just WRONG in the above comments… If I started in, GoComics would need to add another terabyte or six of drives… Folks, PLEASE do some research before you bash someone. The Church has ALWAYS denounced this behavior - although the definition of “child” has shifted over the centuries. What’s different NOW is that there are civil criminal penalties that weren’t in place in previous centuries…. to go along with the changing definition of “child”. Is a 12-year-old a child? was a 12-year-old a child in the 18th Century? The sixth? The first? (Hint: Mary, the Blessed Virgin, is believed to have been in her teens when she bore Jesus.)
cmugnier almost 14 years ago
Let’s see a similar jab at “The Prophet,” eh? The Catholics won’t make a death threat, but guess who will?
Hmmmmm?
I do remember the one about the the Devil, the homicide bomber & the virgins with PMS, but how about a zinger on the REAL thing?
runar almost 14 years ago
I was raised Catholic, even was an altar boy, and no priest ever laid a hand on me. Now I’m devastated, wondering why I wasn’t good enough for them.
Kaero almost 14 years ago
I’m in agreement with freeholder, and I can’t…quite…choose the right way to build up runar’s self-esteem without getting busted by the Humorless Squad.
Can't Sleep almost 14 years ago
YES!
Brilliant cartoon and commentary!
worldisacomic almost 14 years ago
III looks like Cardinal Roger Maphoney. GUILTY AS SIN ITSELF. Covers up for child molesting priests and yet calls the people of Arizona Nazis for passing a law to protect their citizens from violent illegal immigrants. His only concern is the drop in cash flow these aliens bring to the catholic church.
Jaroca2 almost 14 years ago
be prepared………………
The BSA (Biggest Shame in America)
Wildmustang1262 almost 14 years ago
I laughed when I noticed the strip about priests, pope and others with the roman letters/numbers. How brilliant Wiley does the work on that strip? Wiley, you are way too brilliant for that funny strip. Thanks!
By the way, these priests, bishops and others look clean with the halos above their heads, but behind their backs, they are just hypocrites for sexually abusing on the childrens. I don’t like the way they do the harms on the childrens but let God judge on them anyway.
interplanetarycop almost 14 years ago
the Devil made me do it.
ninmas almost 14 years ago
rmbdot, you could try to figure out what my post means instead of just flagging them. there is a reason why i’m doing this.
sufamelico almost 14 years ago
Yes, I agree that there have been many abuses, some recorded and many ignored, in fact there is evidence of many such abuses by churches or other religious organizatons that were kept under wraps to protect themselves and others, (can you say “Rich Patrons”?) Kings, Royals and (you fill the blanks) and even today we best remember that the original sin was INVENTED BY THE CHURCH to scare the bleeep of everyone else, But we must also remember that some if at least one person within those church (es) did some good in their lifetime and we know very litlle of them, and they did not expected to be recognized That is called “Love for your Brethren”
bmonk almost 14 years ago
earodrig said, about 8 hours ago
”cdward: just to let you know: Many of the RC dioceses across the country have tightened the rules for laypeople working with children. There are now mandatory classes to be taken, and people have to get criminal background checks before they’re allowed to be catechism teachers, lead youth groups, etc. I’m not sure the ordained ones have to go through these steps.”
Yes, we do–if anything, we have even stricter rules now.
Varnes almost 14 years ago
It doesn’t matter how many there were or are, for the life of me I can’t figure out why anybody, much less a bishop, would cover up such horrendous crimes. They should have been arrested and tried immediately. No other thought should have crossed anyone’s mind. It’s beyond disgusting…..As for the cartoon, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Maybe the charge was murder….
marvee almost 14 years ago
Glad to hear it bmonk. The problem begins in seminary admissions and training.
Mythreesons almost 14 years ago
Putting the really big hat on number III was brilliant.
runar almost 14 years ago
Kaero, I was kidding. However, I was all set to write up the scenario as a fake news story and submit it to The Onion, but found out that they don’t accept work from freelancers. That really bothered me.
CatComixzStudios almost 14 years ago
If they worked in ANY other kind of profession, people would never have even stopped to punish them. They would have been thrown in as much trouble with the law as Goldman Sachs.
It isn’t a good thing that we let religious organizations get away with this stuff. They should be tried in court as any other person would be.
MatureCanadian almost 14 years ago
What I have trouble with, is the fact that instead of ex-communication and legal punishment, many were just transferred and continue to abuse children in different locations.
Another fabulous strip Wiley! You go where angels fear to tread.
Siberman almost 14 years ago
Sorry dude. The AOG split off from mainstream Pentecostalism.
lindz.coop Premium Member almost 14 years ago
Radio- Forced sex is rape – doesn’t matter how old the “child” is. And when the molestations were taking place – 40s, 50s, 60s, etc., children were children until age 21.
Sluffo Premium Member almost 14 years ago
So our govt. in the form of the local draft board sent “children” to experience the horrors of war all those years?
HappyChappy almost 14 years ago
Hey Wiley, looks like you really “put the cat among the pigeons” this time. Fantastic cartoon strip by the way. Never miss it myself.
Jumpstart almost 14 years ago
There’s one suspect missing in the line-up that would make it even harder to choose the right culprit: the devil- who could tell them apart?. So I would suggest all the above in that case. “Bookem’ all, Dano!”.