Tom Toles for April 07, 2010

Digging themselves in deeper. Now it they’d just stay there…

I’m not sure about you gringos but if I were you I’d push my elected official to create a public option so if you’re mandated to buy insurance you have a cheaper option.

Tooles can do better than this.

I am pushing for the public option.

If that doesn’t work there always the Bible.

Just reading the Constitution would show this healthcare bill to be unConstitutional.

If it is deemed Constitutional, it just means that the judges again ignored the highest law of the land.

Who’s pointing a gun at anyone, av8tor? Are you just using that expression figuratively, or are you suggesting that people who don’t buy insurance will be thrown in jail at gunpoint?

I understand your point if the former (though I agree with neither the argument nor the rhetorical device), but the latter is factually untenable.

Hey! Tea Baggers!!!! If you read the law, you would know that it is specifically against the law to punish anyone who refuses to buy health insurance.

The joke is on you, the pitifully ignorant!!!!

Bob,

I have not read the thing. But are you saying that it mandates people have coverage and then prevents itself from enforcing that mandate?

Of course it “punishes” those who don’t comply with the law. But the punishment is purely monetary, namely a fine. No one will serve jail time for failing to purchase health insurance.

“Funny, a government mandating that some one buy a product from some one else.”

Sounds like … Virginia Driver’s Insurance… or … Massachusetts’ RomneyCare. Or … the Republican alternative to HillaryCare. Republicans love mandating this stuff. It wasn’t in the original Health Care bill this time around. Republicans added it. Thank them.

@av8tor - The only ones forcing their policies on anyone at the point of a gun are the “Pro-Life” terrorists who use guns, bombs, and death threats to get their way.

av8tor, you lifted that paragraph word for word from conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ website.

For a brief bit of reality, it might be best to turn to the Joint Committee on Taxation’s most recent submission on the topic: “Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner” (p. 33).

So no jail time.

And harleyquinn, per usual, you’ve misrepresented what I said. I made no suggestion that “as long as they do not jail me, but take my money, they are not denying me anything”. Mine was a specific correction regarding the fallacy that people will serve jail time for failure to pay the fine.

Under English common law, does the state provide the barber with leaches?

av8tor: The government mandated buying (ironically) guns in 1792. Washington signed it. Catch up. (The NRA loves citing the Militia Act, for some reason.)

If you can’t afford healthcare, the state will give you a coverage.

If you are arrested and can’t afford a lawyer, the State has to give you one.

Anyone ever went to jail because he didn’t have a lawyer?

Then check Magna Carta, and then maybe the Code of Hammurabi…

Well, it probably “is” Constitutional, just like the Federal Reserve, paper money, Social Security, Income Tax, etc…are still going on, despite what the Constitution actually SAYS about such matters! Just about everything we’ve erected is unconstitutional…this is clearly just another “historic” tragedy like all the others, whereby useful idiots ridicule independent thinkers and patriots as being naive while the spirit of America slowly (or quickly) DIES.

The Left clearly hates the American concept of self-sufficiency, freedom, and opportunity. There just is no denying it. Justify its necessity all you want, but this Bill is clearly anti-Freedom, and it’s not even debatable.

@Churchilldoesn’tgetit I’ve responded to your post. And all I gotta say is that you’re feeding me my material, except you’re claiming it to be different. You’ve nothing to show me that I haven’t already said or learned in school. Give it up gramps! You have no idea what you are talking about.

It’s funny how requiring everyone (who drives) to have car insurance is acceptable, but the same isn’t true for health insurance.

Articles of the Confederation? Doesn’t he mean the Confederate States of America?