No, it should be that government restrictions on the personal life of consenting adults who are American citizens, especially those from a specific religious motivation, should be struck down. If they took American freedoms as seriously as they took the 2nd amendment, they would strike down DOMA instantly.
if 2 or more competent adults want to hook up that is their business but what i object to is they expecting me to subsidize them. the 1st case bho decide not to enforce doma was a case involving inheritance tax on the estate of a donor
Scalia is becoming a poster boy for term limits on the SCOTUS, or at least reading in the Constitution where it states that appointments are for a term “while on good behavior” and that impeachment IS possible, though incredibly rare.
@tigthe 14th amendment makes it a federal issue. and so long as “married” couples have more rights than other couples UNDER THE LAW, there is a federal equal protection issue here.
Under the equal protection clause of the US Constitution in amendment 14, gays should be allowed to have “Civil Unions” with the same “Civil” rights as married heterosexuals.
At the same time, under the 1 St amendment with its implied separation of religious churches from the civil laws of the US Constitution, no governmental agency in either the federal government or more local governments has the civil “Right” to force any church to sanctify marriages for anyone but heterosexuals. You do not have to be either a constitutional lawyer or even a Supreme Court Justice to be able to read and so interpret the US Constitution.
“civil unions” that could/would presumably do exactly what marriage does is the same as having separate water fountains for black and white. the law of the land is that separate but equal is neither separate nor equal.
under no scenario would a church be forced to marry anyone they don’t want to.
the right wing nut jobs made it a federal case when they made the first amendments in history that restricted the rights of a group of people. Sotomayor asked some very eloquent questions today. and read from the congressional record behind doma where congress stated the purpose of the law was to demonstrate moral disapproval of homosexuality.that alone is ground to strike it down. Legislating morality is a bad idea. the right wing overstepped its bounds and now is hung by it’s own petard. this petard detonated way earlier than the right wing thought it would.the best the court can do for the right wing here is to defer – wait for a better case (no standing). I don’t think the right/center of the court wants to be on the wrong side of history. but we will see.
we already know how scalia and Thomas will vote. if they vote to uphold doma they are dogmatic. if they vote no standing, then they already know the tidewaters are over their heads.
Gay marriage is NOT about sex. that is a distraction. It’s the same as any kind of marriage. it’s about equal treatment by the law.
and you’re wrong. one mans perversion is another mans pursuit of happiness. so yes, the privacy to your own sexual life is indeed a human right. Additionally it’s protected by the constitution. if not, then howzabout we all vote on your preferred method of sex?
I agree. All of you Bible thumpers head to Mississippi, secede from the US, and then we’ll build a very tall electrified fence around your nasty little country.
Speak for yourself. From the gays I’ve known, they make far better neighbors than the rednecks, yahoos and bible-thumpers. If you aren’t happy in California, there are 49 other states and a multitude of foreign nations for you to choose from. Adios.
ARodney about 11 years ago
What a neanderthal. He’s been getting worse, too. I loved Kagan’s comments, she’s the smartest one on the bench. Certainly the wittiest.
Darsan54 Premium Member about 11 years ago
Whoa, don’t be insulting neanderthals. They are way higher on the evolutionary ladder than Scalia.
Darsan54 Premium Member about 11 years ago
No, probably just objective observations.
echoraven about 11 years ago
No it should be:“Grow up and let them marry, THEN mind your own business”
Motivemagus about 11 years ago
No, it should be that government restrictions on the personal life of consenting adults who are American citizens, especially those from a specific religious motivation, should be struck down. If they took American freedoms as seriously as they took the 2nd amendment, they would strike down DOMA instantly.
oneoldhat about 11 years ago
if 2 or more competent adults want to hook up that is their business but what i object to is they expecting me to subsidize them. the 1st case bho decide not to enforce doma was a case involving inheritance tax on the estate of a donor
Dtroutma about 11 years ago
Scalia is becoming a poster boy for term limits on the SCOTUS, or at least reading in the Constitution where it states that appointments are for a term “while on good behavior” and that impeachment IS possible, though incredibly rare.
dannysixpack about 11 years ago
@tigthe 14th amendment makes it a federal issue. and so long as “married” couples have more rights than other couples UNDER THE LAW, there is a federal equal protection issue here.
McSpook about 11 years ago
What a dirty and pointless little dig.Is this your idea of discussion on a higher level?Or are you just projecting your own failings onto others?
frodo1008 about 11 years ago
Under the equal protection clause of the US Constitution in amendment 14, gays should be allowed to have “Civil Unions” with the same “Civil” rights as married heterosexuals.
At the same time, under the 1 St amendment with its implied separation of religious churches from the civil laws of the US Constitution, no governmental agency in either the federal government or more local governments has the civil “Right” to force any church to sanctify marriages for anyone but heterosexuals. You do not have to be either a constitutional lawyer or even a Supreme Court Justice to be able to read and so interpret the US Constitution.
And YES people, it is really that simple!!
wronhewitt about 11 years ago
DOMA made it a federal issue…DOMA is a federal law.
pirate227 about 11 years ago
Wrong, as usual. Imagine if it was left up to the states to decide to “allow” interracial marriage.
dannysixpack about 11 years ago
dannysixpack said, less than a minute ago
@Robert landers
“civil unions” that could/would presumably do exactly what marriage does is the same as having separate water fountains for black and white. the law of the land is that separate but equal is neither separate nor equal.
under no scenario would a church be forced to marry anyone they don’t want to.
the right wing nut jobs made it a federal case when they made the first amendments in history that restricted the rights of a group of people. Sotomayor asked some very eloquent questions today. and read from the congressional record behind doma where congress stated the purpose of the law was to demonstrate moral disapproval of homosexuality.that alone is ground to strike it down. Legislating morality is a bad idea. the right wing overstepped its bounds and now is hung by it’s own petard. this petard detonated way earlier than the right wing thought it would.the best the court can do for the right wing here is to defer – wait for a better case (no standing). I don’t think the right/center of the court wants to be on the wrong side of history. but we will see.dannysixpack about 11 years ago
we already know how scalia and Thomas will vote. if they vote to uphold doma they are dogmatic. if they vote no standing, then they already know the tidewaters are over their heads.
dannysixpack about 11 years ago
Gay marriage is NOT about sex. that is a distraction. It’s the same as any kind of marriage. it’s about equal treatment by the law.
and you’re wrong. one mans perversion is another mans pursuit of happiness. so yes, the privacy to your own sexual life is indeed a human right. Additionally it’s protected by the constitution. if not, then howzabout we all vote on your preferred method of sex?
dannysixpack about 11 years ago
^yes Sotomayor was brilliant and cut to the meat of the matter quite directly. truly an impressive justice. glad you agree mdavis.
lonecat about 11 years ago
Just thought I’d say that I really admire Lukovich’s drawing — today especiall — great images of the justices — immediately identifiable. He’s good.
McSpook about 11 years ago
I agree. All of you Bible thumpers head to Mississippi, secede from the US, and then we’ll build a very tall electrified fence around your nasty little country.
McSpook about 11 years ago
Speak for yourself. From the gays I’ve known, they make far better neighbors than the rednecks, yahoos and bible-thumpers. If you aren’t happy in California, there are 49 other states and a multitude of foreign nations for you to choose from. Adios.