Panel 4 is already correct, there are republicans looking to control women’s reproductive systems. I don’t agree with that. If anything, the laws shuold be supporting rights and there to ensure privacy and safety.
Bill Frist, Republican, and allegedly a doctor, (yes, he had a license, but why?) stated Schiavo was just fine, and could recover, even though scans PROVED most of her brain, was gone, and it was confirmed at autopsy. A few Republican “doctors” are in legislatures, but their views on OBGYN would lose them their licenses for incompetence and ignorance of basic biology if they were ever sued for malpractice.
Supreme Court Justice Breyer said (during the hearing) not only did the Federal government have the constitutional right to mandate everyone buy health insurance but he personally believed the government could also mandate everyone buy burial insurance.
On day 1 of the AIA debate the conservatives asked was there ANY limiting principle as to what the government could force its citizens to do. To the consternation of the liberal 4 the appointed pro-government attorney could not find a single exception.
I ask here if this mandate stands is there any exception and on what grounds would it be different?
I find this “slippery slope” argument to be bordering on stupidity, even if it was suggested by a supreme court justice. Why would any government in it’s right mind even think of mandating the eating of broccoli, even if, in theory, it could do so? Governments still have a fiduciary duty to govern with prudence, good judgement, and for the welfare of the people. Governments would not do something just because they could. And if there was such a stupid government, there are remedies from recalls to elections. .I note there has not been the fear expressed about activist judges legislating from the Bench. And yet that’s what Republicans are asking these justices to do.
Gimme a break, anyone can see that wasn’t an attempt to start an argument. The point, which is very much releated to the cartoon up above is that Republicans talk the talk about not mandating peoples’ lives, but they DON’T walk the walk,
As to your final statement, you and I both know I’m not going to get any responses to that post
What would you do, Eddie, if your wife was in danger of dying because of a problem with the pregnancy? Would you let her die, GOd forbid?What if you know your child would be, say, born without a brain, or had another type of defect that was incompatible with life, would you want to let it go to term and watch it die then, GOd forbid?Even though such things rarely happen, they occasionally do happen. The problem with Totally criminalizing abortion is that it can sometimes just as unethical and may be crueler. The banning of 3rd trimester is wrong because by then any problems will probably have been discovered and if a baby is big enough that if he was born to parents who really want him, if that baby can live, he should live. it should be illegal to kill a viable child, even if it took months of special care. To be completely black and white in a shades of gray world often doesn’t work quite well.
That is the difference between you and me.Doc. I explained WHY they’re related. You expect everyone to beleive they aren’t for no other reason than because YOU said so.
the issue of constitutionality is moot. We already pay into medicare and into Social Security, both very good and working systems, plus we have to buy driving insurance if we want to drive a carI can’t see requiring burial insurance since more people are getting cremated and don’t need to be buried.
Lonecat, you are so right on that the conservatives liked it until president Obama said it. they have sworn to do that by Mitch McConnell to put that ahead of the good of the country. SO thanks.Simon Jester, thanks for your comments too, about what they won’t do to try to take the whitehouse. Ive never seen so much outright lying since they tried to dig up dirt on Clinton. And thank you too Stephen R. for pointing out that it was to have Freedom of religion, to NOT have to live in a theocracy that we came here in the 1st place.About the consevatives;I don’t like how they want to add silly laws to the constitution. I don’t like them wanting to limit my freedom to worship or not, to what God.I don’t like them loading laws up on one type of morality while they forget that every religion has “love others as you love yourself” as one of the 1st principles, and what that involves, and it’s not a sin to be sick, or poor.And I don’t like their black and white view, the my way or the highway, the inflexability, the xenophobia, the hatred and the lies.
First, I never said I want to give lots and lots of power to the government — in fact I said that I want to protect people from the government. And I think I have some experience here — including imprisonment, since you bring that up. I was in jail three times in the sixties, and they wanted to send me up the river for a long stretch, but the Supreme Court said No, it was a violation of due process. Why was I in jail? I was standing up for the rights of individuals against the (local) government. I wasn’t a big figure, but I’m mentioned here and there in the books.
So, no, I don’t trust the government, but I also don’t trust tobacco companies, oil companies, the nuclear power industry, the banks, insurance companies, etc., and I don’t trust the churches either. I believe that any serious student of power has to look at the whole situation. Sometimes we have to work on controlling the government — federal, state, or local, in different situations — and sometimes, as in the days of the civil rights movement, it was worth trying to get the feds to protect was from the local and state governments, though they didn’t always come through. And sometimes we have to work on controlling corporations or the churches. And sometimes we can use the various institutions of society as countervailing forces.
If you guys are still talking about Terri Schiavo, Let me say from the perspective of an RN who hasseen MANY people kept alive by machines long after any brain function has ceased…. How dare ANYBODY try to keep someone in such an inhumane and horrible condition! Let them go! You people have no idea of the level of dedradation a vegetative person lives at every day. I would tattoo DNR in foot high letters across my chest if I thought anyone would listen. And I think you’ll find that the majority of medical professionals would agree with me.
cjr53 about 12 years ago
Panel 4 is already correct, there are republicans looking to control women’s reproductive systems. I don’t agree with that. If anything, the laws shuold be supporting rights and there to ensure privacy and safety.
Simon_Jester about 12 years ago
For anyone who thinks the Republican Party wants to keep the Federal Government out of ordinary peoples’ lives, I offer three words:
1. Terry2. Schiavo’s3. Law
Simon_Jester about 12 years ago
HO! Look who’s talking! If hijacking threads was a crime, you’d be doing life without parole, troll-boy.
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Libertarian1 about 12 years ago
Supreme Court Justice Breyer said (during the hearing) not only did the Federal government have the constitutional right to mandate everyone buy health insurance but he personally believed the government could also mandate everyone buy burial insurance.
On day 1 of the AIA debate the conservatives asked was there ANY limiting principle as to what the government could force its citizens to do. To the consternation of the liberal 4 the appointed pro-government attorney could not find a single exception.
I ask here if this mandate stands is there any exception and on what grounds would it be different?
Gypsy8 about 12 years ago
I find this “slippery slope” argument to be bordering on stupidity, even if it was suggested by a supreme court justice. Why would any government in it’s right mind even think of mandating the eating of broccoli, even if, in theory, it could do so? Governments still have a fiduciary duty to govern with prudence, good judgement, and for the welfare of the people. Governments would not do something just because they could. And if there was such a stupid government, there are remedies from recalls to elections. .I note there has not been the fear expressed about activist judges legislating from the Bench. And yet that’s what Republicans are asking these justices to do.
SusanCraig about 12 years ago
I don’t understand how /why the party claiming to want less government in Americans’ lives wants more government in my uterus….
MurphyHerself about 12 years ago
Because that’s where they can go with the least fuss, or so they think.
Simon_Jester about 12 years ago
Gimme a break, anyone can see that wasn’t an attempt to start an argument. The point, which is very much releated to the cartoon up above is that Republicans talk the talk about not mandating peoples’ lives, but they DON’T walk the walk,
As to your final statement, you and I both know I’m not going to get any responses to that post
NOBODY’S that brain-dead.
pam Miner about 12 years ago
What would you do, Eddie, if your wife was in danger of dying because of a problem with the pregnancy? Would you let her die, GOd forbid?What if you know your child would be, say, born without a brain, or had another type of defect that was incompatible with life, would you want to let it go to term and watch it die then, GOd forbid?Even though such things rarely happen, they occasionally do happen. The problem with Totally criminalizing abortion is that it can sometimes just as unethical and may be crueler. The banning of 3rd trimester is wrong because by then any problems will probably have been discovered and if a baby is big enough that if he was born to parents who really want him, if that baby can live, he should live. it should be illegal to kill a viable child, even if it took months of special care. To be completely black and white in a shades of gray world often doesn’t work quite well.
Simon_Jester about 12 years ago
That is the difference between you and me.Doc. I explained WHY they’re related. You expect everyone to beleive they aren’t for no other reason than because YOU said so.
pam Miner about 12 years ago
the issue of constitutionality is moot. We already pay into medicare and into Social Security, both very good and working systems, plus we have to buy driving insurance if we want to drive a carI can’t see requiring burial insurance since more people are getting cremated and don’t need to be buried.
pam Miner about 12 years ago
Lonecat, you are so right on that the conservatives liked it until president Obama said it. they have sworn to do that by Mitch McConnell to put that ahead of the good of the country. SO thanks.Simon Jester, thanks for your comments too, about what they won’t do to try to take the whitehouse. Ive never seen so much outright lying since they tried to dig up dirt on Clinton. And thank you too Stephen R. for pointing out that it was to have Freedom of religion, to NOT have to live in a theocracy that we came here in the 1st place.About the consevatives;I don’t like how they want to add silly laws to the constitution. I don’t like them wanting to limit my freedom to worship or not, to what God.I don’t like them loading laws up on one type of morality while they forget that every religion has “love others as you love yourself” as one of the 1st principles, and what that involves, and it’s not a sin to be sick, or poor.And I don’t like their black and white view, the my way or the highway, the inflexability, the xenophobia, the hatred and the lies.
lonecat about 12 years ago
First, I never said I want to give lots and lots of power to the government — in fact I said that I want to protect people from the government. And I think I have some experience here — including imprisonment, since you bring that up. I was in jail three times in the sixties, and they wanted to send me up the river for a long stretch, but the Supreme Court said No, it was a violation of due process. Why was I in jail? I was standing up for the rights of individuals against the (local) government. I wasn’t a big figure, but I’m mentioned here and there in the books.
So, no, I don’t trust the government, but I also don’t trust tobacco companies, oil companies, the nuclear power industry, the banks, insurance companies, etc., and I don’t trust the churches either. I believe that any serious student of power has to look at the whole situation. Sometimes we have to work on controlling the government — federal, state, or local, in different situations — and sometimes, as in the days of the civil rights movement, it was worth trying to get the feds to protect was from the local and state governments, though they didn’t always come through. And sometimes we have to work on controlling corporations or the churches. And sometimes we can use the various institutions of society as countervailing forces.
mohubbus about 12 years ago
If you guys are still talking about Terri Schiavo, Let me say from the perspective of an RN who hasseen MANY people kept alive by machines long after any brain function has ceased…. How dare ANYBODY try to keep someone in such an inhumane and horrible condition! Let them go! You people have no idea of the level of dedradation a vegetative person lives at every day. I would tattoo DNR in foot high letters across my chest if I thought anyone would listen. And I think you’ll find that the majority of medical professionals would agree with me.