The constitution is more important. However I don’t view this as an “either or” situation. Oh, and Mike…. would you remind me where the constituion talks about freedom from slavery? Freedom for men and women?
This isn’t about slavery, and don’t try to spin it that way. This is about the federal government infringing on religious organziations’ rights to practice religion and hold true to their tenants. Nothing more, nothing less.
So in a world where the population is 7 billion, outstripping food, energy and every other natural resource, you can still think that women should have to bear unwanted children “until they die of it” as a 19th century bible-beater put it.
I think women should be able to partake of human kind’s most intimate activity, without each of those partakings resulting in 9 months of discomfort for the end result of yet another mouth to feed. Contraception is for family planning. I have 2 kids, spaced two and a half years apart. Then I had a vasectomy so that would be all we had (kids aren’t cheap, you know). Thanks to contraception, I have only 2 kids, and not…let’s see….carry the one…13 and a third kids. Get your slimy religious beliefs off my marriage!!
Save Our SpermI believe that Life begins at the Creation of the sperm, and that sperm, as potential human lives, deserve equal protection given to fetuses and grown children. Think of the billions of sperm needlessly killed by such things as hot tubs and tight-fitting underwear. In the future we will learn to save every sperm Created, so these potential lives can each develop into human adults as the FSM intended.-Bobby Henderson
Aside from all the jibes from each side of this discussion, the real crime seems to be that the loony-lib’s own parents failed to practice good birth control.
Choice in actions/activity that are legal—- is good, but Choice should be linked with Responsibility to provide for one’s own choices. Nowhere in our founding documents is found the idea that taxpayers pay for everyone’s choices in personal needs and wants. Government’s only responsibility is to ensure peace and law enforcement against crime, so citizens will be able to work and provide for themselves.
spyderred said, about 4 hours agoSo in a world where the population is 7 billion, outstripping food, energy and every other natural resource, you can still think that women should have to bear unwanted children “until they die of it” as a 19th century bible-beater put it.-to reply, this earth has resources sufficient for more humans, the problem is bad human governments that create political famines and prevent free enterprise providing more jobs…and poor distribution systems of foods grown and much of which goes to waste while people go hungry when access to food is not maintained.
You want to talk about freedom? In seven states, it is illegal for atheists to hold public office. How many CONservatives are trying to change that? Atheists like me have to give tax dollors to churches they don’t support through the office of faith based initiatives. Where are the republicans putting a stop to that? And I’m confident I can find youtube video of CONservatives who are against birth control on the grounds of religious liberty, speaking out against the “ground zero mosque”. So is the freedom of religion reserved for christians only?The christian right needs to stop whining like THEY’RE the oppressed because it is getting old.
Where were all you self-righteous people when it was ruled that I have to help pay for Viagra. Also, I don’t believe in war or capital punishment, but still have to help pay for them. Grow up.
Let’s move away from the religeous component and run some numbers. If, as stated in the media, Georgetown Law is $50,000.00 per year, that a bit over $136.00 per day. Even if her $1,000.00 per year number pulled out of thin air is correct, that comes to just under $2.75 per day. There’s this thing called personal responsibility. If it’s that important, I think she can find the $2.75 in her budget somewhere. If it’s that tight, go to a less expensive school and stop asking others to pay the freight.
Re: avarner. I beg to differ with your choice of words, the ‘professional agitator’ in question should be labeled a ‘community organizer’. By changing her ‘job title’ she can now run for the highest office in the land, ‘golfer in chief’.
Prosperity is the greatest birth-control..The more prosperous the society, the lower the birth rate, and conversely, the poorer the country, the higher the birth rate..Japan is a great example . . . . .That said, why is contraception even a matter of insurance . . ? Can I get an insurance to pay for my face-lift . . . .?
It’s not in the book. The bible says very little about contraception, unless you selectively read and interpret some pretty vague stuff. Irish and his type make it up out of thin air. If you love Freedom, work to defeat the GOP. They’re doing their best to suppress voting, suppress family planning, outlaw your ability to live your life as you see fit, and suppressing the ability of the poor and unemployed to simply live.
Buried in all this wonderful discourse is another clear example that the concept of The Entitlement Culture has genesis in elite law schools. Root cause analysis, kinda hard to avoid the obvious.
Speaking of roots, 9 of 10 that digging into Fluke’s background will turn up the ACLU.
Mike, change the birth control packet to a script of Viagra. I bet that would change things for a lot of people! I follow your cartoons only because they are opposite of what I think and believe, and I know that keeping on open mind and at least looking at cartoons by people I don’t agree with will help me at least look at the opposition.
Kylop about 12 years ago
The constitution is more important. However I don’t view this as an “either or” situation. Oh, and Mike…. would you remind me where the constituion talks about freedom from slavery? Freedom for men and women?
Wraithkin about 12 years ago
This isn’t about slavery, and don’t try to spin it that way. This is about the federal government infringing on religious organziations’ rights to practice religion and hold true to their tenants. Nothing more, nothing less.
Spyderred about 12 years ago
So in a world where the population is 7 billion, outstripping food, energy and every other natural resource, you can still think that women should have to bear unwanted children “until they die of it” as a 19th century bible-beater put it.
Tue Elung-Jensen about 12 years ago
So freedom doesn´t mean freedom of choice? Pretty messed up analogy imo.
Noveltman about 12 years ago
Answer: Science.
Noveltman about 12 years ago
I think women should be able to partake of human kind’s most intimate activity, without each of those partakings resulting in 9 months of discomfort for the end result of yet another mouth to feed. Contraception is for family planning. I have 2 kids, spaced two and a half years apart. Then I had a vasectomy so that would be all we had (kids aren’t cheap, you know). Thanks to contraception, I have only 2 kids, and not…let’s see….carry the one…13 and a third kids. Get your slimy religious beliefs off my marriage!!
chernoby about 12 years ago
How’s that working for you so far? Seven Billion people.
chernoby about 12 years ago
Save Our SpermI believe that Life begins at the Creation of the sperm, and that sperm, as potential human lives, deserve equal protection given to fetuses and grown children. Think of the billions of sperm needlessly killed by such things as hot tubs and tight-fitting underwear. In the future we will learn to save every sperm Created, so these potential lives can each develop into human adults as the FSM intended.-Bobby Henderson
padgetster about 12 years ago
Aside from all the jibes from each side of this discussion, the real crime seems to be that the loony-lib’s own parents failed to practice good birth control.
avarner about 12 years ago
Any thinking person that reads these comments fully supports population control. But it is SO late in many cases. LOL :O)
As for a 30 year old professional agitator pretending to be a 23 year old student and begging congress for free birth control…..
You can’t make this stuff up. The comedy writers are going broke..
disgustedtaxpayer about 12 years ago
Choice in actions/activity that are legal—- is good, but Choice should be linked with Responsibility to provide for one’s own choices. Nowhere in our founding documents is found the idea that taxpayers pay for everyone’s choices in personal needs and wants. Government’s only responsibility is to ensure peace and law enforcement against crime, so citizens will be able to work and provide for themselves.
disgustedtaxpayer about 12 years ago
spyderred said, about 4 hours agoSo in a world where the population is 7 billion, outstripping food, energy and every other natural resource, you can still think that women should have to bear unwanted children “until they die of it” as a 19th century bible-beater put it.-to reply, this earth has resources sufficient for more humans, the problem is bad human governments that create political famines and prevent free enterprise providing more jobs…and poor distribution systems of foods grown and much of which goes to waste while people go hungry when access to food is not maintained.
Heavy B about 12 years ago
You want to talk about freedom? In seven states, it is illegal for atheists to hold public office. How many CONservatives are trying to change that? Atheists like me have to give tax dollors to churches they don’t support through the office of faith based initiatives. Where are the republicans putting a stop to that? And I’m confident I can find youtube video of CONservatives who are against birth control on the grounds of religious liberty, speaking out against the “ground zero mosque”. So is the freedom of religion reserved for christians only?The christian right needs to stop whining like THEY’RE the oppressed because it is getting old.
rockngolfer about 12 years ago
If you want to read what Sandra Fluke actually said, the full text is here.Obviously a lot of people missed it,
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/06/context-sandra-fluke-contraceptives-and-womens-hea/
Snoopy_Fan about 12 years ago
Don’t want children? Don’t have sex. Or at least pay for your OWN birth control. No one forces you to have sex.
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member about 12 years ago
Mandate Freebies with ‘Other Peoples Money’…
That is a little different concept than “Freedom to Pursue Happliness”…
Set up a Voluntary Fund for giving away ‘nice to have’ products.
fargopete about 12 years ago
Holy crap, Ramirez! Way to twist the issue.
Ellen Gwynne about 12 years ago
Where were all you self-righteous people when it was ruled that I have to help pay for Viagra. Also, I don’t believe in war or capital punishment, but still have to help pay for them. Grow up.
harmonsnipes Premium Member about 12 years ago
Let’s move away from the religeous component and run some numbers. If, as stated in the media, Georgetown Law is $50,000.00 per year, that a bit over $136.00 per day. Even if her $1,000.00 per year number pulled out of thin air is correct, that comes to just under $2.75 per day. There’s this thing called personal responsibility. If it’s that important, I think she can find the $2.75 in her budget somewhere. If it’s that tight, go to a less expensive school and stop asking others to pay the freight.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 12 years ago
This is wrong two ways;
1; Even with a magnifying glass, I couldn’t find a way someone else taking the pill infrings on your freedom.
2; Freedom, for women, means not being a walking placenta and having the ability to choose what to do with their lives (like men are).
padgetster about 12 years ago
Re: avarner. I beg to differ with your choice of words, the ‘professional agitator’ in question should be labeled a ‘community organizer’. By changing her ‘job title’ she can now run for the highest office in the land, ‘golfer in chief’.
petergrt about 12 years ago
Prosperity is the greatest birth-control..The more prosperous the society, the lower the birth rate, and conversely, the poorer the country, the higher the birth rate..Japan is a great example . . . . .That said, why is contraception even a matter of insurance . . ? Can I get an insurance to pay for my face-lift . . . .?
Noveltman about 12 years ago
Ever hear of using prehistoric beliefs as a weapon?? Jeez!!
ARodney about 12 years ago
It’s not in the book. The bible says very little about contraception, unless you selectively read and interpret some pretty vague stuff. Irish and his type make it up out of thin air. If you love Freedom, work to defeat the GOP. They’re doing their best to suppress voting, suppress family planning, outlaw your ability to live your life as you see fit, and suppressing the ability of the poor and unemployed to simply live.
svenskabru2u about 12 years ago
Buried in all this wonderful discourse is another clear example that the concept of The Entitlement Culture has genesis in elite law schools. Root cause analysis, kinda hard to avoid the obvious.
Speaking of roots, 9 of 10 that digging into Fluke’s background will turn up the ACLU.
morrigan14068 about 12 years ago
Mike, change the birth control packet to a script of Viagra. I bet that would change things for a lot of people! I follow your cartoons only because they are opposite of what I think and believe, and I know that keeping on open mind and at least looking at cartoons by people I don’t agree with will help me at least look at the opposition.