The only people who demand Seperation of Church and State are the liberals, but only of conservitives. If it is a liberal, like say, Rev. Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Jerimiah Wright, and I may not have spelled hgis name right, then they want politics in the church.
Sharia and Santorum do draw their “basics” from the same source. THAT is why the fundamentalists’ attacks on Islam are so funny to watch. (as street theater, please, not government)
Absolute gibberish being posted here. Remarkable. The intent and wording of the First Amendment is designed to keep religion of any kind out of government. Freedom to practice religion ON YOUR OWN does NOT entail or require the ability to impose it on others who do not belong to your religion. That’s called theocracy, and is exactly what is being done by the radical Islamic states the “christians” so fear. If you believe in certain religious principles, then live by them. Don’t try to pass laws to force them on others. And this is a fundamental tenet of liberalism, which is more tolerant of variations in religion than the Santorums of this world.
One of the problems is that so many people do not understand the separation of church and state. It is not about the beliefs of the politician. It’s about getting a religion involved in the business of government and getting government involved in the business of religion. John Kennedy was assuring voters that he would not be compelled to take orders from the Vatican because some Protestants feared that would happen. Rick Santorum proclaiming that this made him want to “throw up” left him rejecting the separation of church and state. The similarity to the Taliban or the situation in Iran should ought to make some conservatives pause and consider how far Santorum’s use of power would go when he feels God is on his side.
Irish – you’ve gone off the deep end. I am a liberal, but I don’t believe the entire nation has to be Christian. People in this nation can worship whoever they want, be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, FSM, whatever. It is not a war on Christianity. I do not want “Christian” views enforced on me, which is why I live in this country. I come from a far older religion.
First, get something straight, a “Secular” government, like that called for in the Constitution of the United States, does NOT in any way state that citizens, and people, are “atheist” in any way. What it states is that none of the potentially thousands of “religious views” shall mandate the lives of others, period.
The scary ignorance of Santorum, and other “fundamentalists”, Jew, Christian, or Muslim is that Government and religion ARE separated to protect both religion and the rights of people.
“Laws” are written by people to protect the state, and the people, based on “morality” and common goals and benefits. “Commandments” are demands made by men who feel omnipotent over others too foolish to think for themselves, or too stupid to see they’re being “conned”.
You wrote: “Morality is based upon Christian principles. The moral basis of our Law is the Judeo-Christian principles of the Sacred Scriptures.”No. Morality is based on a set of principles that individuals have. Morality can come from any source, including other religions.For example, most people would summarize Christianity in the Golden Rule, which is common to Judaism and was in Zoroastrianism long before Jesus came along. There is a strong case to be made that Jesus was reflecting common Hellenic philosophies of the time that had come from Graeco-Roman civilization. (One reason for the rapid spread of Christianity is that Greek paganism had already evolved towards a benevolent and lovingly omniscient Zeus, and included another god who died and was reborn and whose rebirth was celebrated through eating bread. Look it up.)When you demonize all other cultures, it shows your profound ignorance of what they really believed and did. The Crusades were explicitly “Christian,” though bore no relationship to anything Jesus Christ said. The fighting in Northern Ireland ditto. And so on.
BillWa about 12 years ago
The only people who demand Seperation of Church and State are the liberals, but only of conservitives. If it is a liberal, like say, Rev. Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Jerimiah Wright, and I may not have spelled hgis name right, then they want politics in the church.
yohannbiimu about 12 years ago
This is yet another attempt to make a straw-man into a cogent argument, something which Obama is a champion of.
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Sharia and Santorum do draw their “basics” from the same source. THAT is why the fundamentalists’ attacks on Islam are so funny to watch. (as street theater, please, not government)
Odon Premium Member about 12 years ago
Two people living two very different lives both comfortable that their version of religion is the only way man should live. God’s will?
Motivemagus about 12 years ago
Absolute gibberish being posted here. Remarkable. The intent and wording of the First Amendment is designed to keep religion of any kind out of government. Freedom to practice religion ON YOUR OWN does NOT entail or require the ability to impose it on others who do not belong to your religion. That’s called theocracy, and is exactly what is being done by the radical Islamic states the “christians” so fear. If you believe in certain religious principles, then live by them. Don’t try to pass laws to force them on others. And this is a fundamental tenet of liberalism, which is more tolerant of variations in religion than the Santorums of this world.
kcollier about 12 years ago
One of the problems is that so many people do not understand the separation of church and state. It is not about the beliefs of the politician. It’s about getting a religion involved in the business of government and getting government involved in the business of religion. John Kennedy was assuring voters that he would not be compelled to take orders from the Vatican because some Protestants feared that would happen. Rick Santorum proclaiming that this made him want to “throw up” left him rejecting the separation of church and state. The similarity to the Taliban or the situation in Iran should ought to make some conservatives pause and consider how far Santorum’s use of power would go when he feels God is on his side.
SaltWaterCroc about 12 years ago
Irish – you’ve gone off the deep end. I am a liberal, but I don’t believe the entire nation has to be Christian. People in this nation can worship whoever they want, be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, FSM, whatever. It is not a war on Christianity. I do not want “Christian” views enforced on me, which is why I live in this country. I come from a far older religion.
pirate227 about 12 years ago
Loons of a feather flock together.Just say no to superstition.
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
First, get something straight, a “Secular” government, like that called for in the Constitution of the United States, does NOT in any way state that citizens, and people, are “atheist” in any way. What it states is that none of the potentially thousands of “religious views” shall mandate the lives of others, period.
The scary ignorance of Santorum, and other “fundamentalists”, Jew, Christian, or Muslim is that Government and religion ARE separated to protect both religion and the rights of people.
“Laws” are written by people to protect the state, and the people, based on “morality” and common goals and benefits. “Commandments” are demands made by men who feel omnipotent over others too foolish to think for themselves, or too stupid to see they’re being “conned”.
Tue Elung-Jensen about 12 years ago
Dont worry – the taliban doesn´t care about the state, only the “church”.
Motivemagus about 12 years ago
You wrote: “Morality is based upon Christian principles. The moral basis of our Law is the Judeo-Christian principles of the Sacred Scriptures.”No. Morality is based on a set of principles that individuals have. Morality can come from any source, including other religions.For example, most people would summarize Christianity in the Golden Rule, which is common to Judaism and was in Zoroastrianism long before Jesus came along. There is a strong case to be made that Jesus was reflecting common Hellenic philosophies of the time that had come from Graeco-Roman civilization. (One reason for the rapid spread of Christianity is that Greek paganism had already evolved towards a benevolent and lovingly omniscient Zeus, and included another god who died and was reborn and whose rebirth was celebrated through eating bread. Look it up.)When you demonize all other cultures, it shows your profound ignorance of what they really believed and did. The Crusades were explicitly “Christian,” though bore no relationship to anything Jesus Christ said. The fighting in Northern Ireland ditto. And so on.