Man: We're too broke to go to the moon again. But you should see our drone bombs... we can bust up an Afghan wedding party faster than a runaway bride on opium!
^^More stupidity than I thought possible. Reducing the pay of the President to $40K/year is your idea of wisdom? Really? Paying Congressmen $17,400/year will attract good candidates? Really? Deporting aliens will save us boatloads of money? Like that wouldn’t have its own costs and expense? Eliminating all foreign aid will save $1T each year? Do you even know what addition and subtraction is?
Don’t make them be here to sell here, Kent. Just tax the shinola out of imported products, so bad that companies will move back to the states for the opportunity to sell to the largest and most greedy and entitled economy on earth for a competitive price. Free trade is the problem here.
One thing that would make a difference is to punish lying with removal from Congress and forfeiture of lifetime healthcare and other goodies. That way, a member of congress would have to choose between telling the truth and keeping the bribes, and lying and risking being tossed out. Interesting choice, at least.
We could quite rationally cut the total “defense” budget by $250 BILLION, without harming our real need for defense. Using bullets instead of $68,000 to $250,000 drone-launched “anti-personnel missiles” could also cheapen things up, let alone getting OUT of Afghanistan and Iraq- Osama and Saddam are dead, time to leave. We’ve screwed over those folks enough already, and can only do more harm at this point.
“What needs to be done is to start making the 47% of Citizens who pay zero income Taxes to start paying their fair Share.”- Same with businesses who pay zero and even LESS than 0 income taxes.
I’m amused the West now cries “foul” on free trade.Fair trade, not Free Trade!"A sentiment now heard coming from the developed West, joining the developing countries’ cries. You never did listen before but now the shoe is on the other foot.Tch, tch, tch.Btw, I’m very much for Fair Trade and a well regulated free market. Not only Fair Trade but a more Flat world and a well regulated globalisation (if one can convince everyone whose livelihoods one was stepping on before to care and to listen)Will China listen? About as much as you all did before._________________________________________While getting Ted’s message about the vast amounts spent on armaments instead of a space programme, as for moon shots, I do think we shall go there again. “We” being humanity. I don’t care for the nationality. Did the world applaud Armstrong in ’69? Oh yes. I even have an 8mm reel of the first moon landing. The entire world stopped to watch. Why not stop to watch when the next man on the moon is shown on our screens and applaud then, too.
killbill errs drastically….no scripture in the New Testament says we should pay a government forcible taxes at a high rate to take care of the needy citizens or the world’s needy people.
Scripture says the individual person should show love of God and Neighbor by personally helping his local needy by direct methods….one on one, and face to face. That is true Biblical “charity”……usually done through the local worship center and in our modern times, church organizations that are accountable to the local assemblies.
Scripture gives defense of a nation and police powers to fight crime to government……charity is a person to person responsibility in the Bible.
“….no scripture in the New Testament says we should pay a government forcible taxes at a high rate to take care of the needy citizens or the world’s needy people”- The New Testament does say you should pay your taxes, however. When Jesus was asked what to do with the money by one of the Pharisees, he asked, “Whose face is on that coin?” To which they responded “Caesar’s.” He then said, “Render unto Caesar’s that which is Caesar’s.” There’s a clear separation between God’s law and Man’s law. While God’s law is higher, we’re not absolved of human law.
DrCanuck: “OK, DT, I agree. People SHOULD help people, as it says in the Bible. But if they DON’T, and people are starving, what should we do about it? Collect taxes or let the starving die? Which do you find morally preferable?”
If you’ll pardon the expression, AMEN, Brother!
Besides, what IS in the Constitution is this:“In Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…”
“Promote the general Welfare” doesn’t necessarily require footing the bills for food, shelter, and medical care for the poor, but it certainly does not preclude it, and it gives the lie to those who claim that the Founders intended a nation where no citizen has any obligation to be concerned with the well-being of his fellows.
“We have heard of the impious doctrine in the Old World, that the people were made for kings, not kings for the people. Is the same doctrine to be revived in the New, in another shape that the solid happiness of the people is to be sacrificed to the views of political institutions of a different form? It is too early for politicians to presume on our forgetting that the public good, the real welfare of the great body of the people, is the supreme object to be pursued; and that no form of government whatever has any other value than as it may be fitted for the attainment of this object.” — James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 45
Charles Brobst Premium Member almost 13 years ago
Return the top rate to 90% and fully fund social programs and whatever else we need.
Bilword almost 13 years ago
Ain’t it the truth! USA and israel drone on
hotdogger almost 13 years ago
^^More stupidity than I thought possible. Reducing the pay of the President to $40K/year is your idea of wisdom? Really? Paying Congressmen $17,400/year will attract good candidates? Really? Deporting aliens will save us boatloads of money? Like that wouldn’t have its own costs and expense? Eliminating all foreign aid will save $1T each year? Do you even know what addition and subtraction is?
Noveltman almost 13 years ago
Don’t make them be here to sell here, Kent. Just tax the shinola out of imported products, so bad that companies will move back to the states for the opportunity to sell to the largest and most greedy and entitled economy on earth for a competitive price. Free trade is the problem here.
mjnyc almost 13 years ago
The above comparison is poor. Opium does not make one fast.
Spyderred almost 13 years ago
One thing that would make a difference is to punish lying with removal from Congress and forfeiture of lifetime healthcare and other goodies. That way, a member of congress would have to choose between telling the truth and keeping the bribes, and lying and risking being tossed out. Interesting choice, at least.
killbillvs007 almost 13 years ago
Can’t pay the doctor bills but whitey’s on the Moon.
-Gil Scott Heron
killbillvs007 almost 13 years ago
@Tigger
In the overwhelmingly Christian United States, you have your choice of ignoring Mark 12:41-44 OR choosing to change the subject away from Luke 21:1-4
How was church on Sunday? Didya go take communion?
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
We could quite rationally cut the total “defense” budget by $250 BILLION, without harming our real need for defense. Using bullets instead of $68,000 to $250,000 drone-launched “anti-personnel missiles” could also cheapen things up, let alone getting OUT of Afghanistan and Iraq- Osama and Saddam are dead, time to leave. We’ve screwed over those folks enough already, and can only do more harm at this point.
Jaedabee Premium Member almost 13 years ago
“What needs to be done is to start making the 47% of Citizens who pay zero income Taxes to start paying their fair Share.”- Same with businesses who pay zero and even LESS than 0 income taxes.
OmqR-IV.0 almost 13 years ago
I’m amused the West now cries “foul” on free trade.Fair trade, not Free Trade!"A sentiment now heard coming from the developed West, joining the developing countries’ cries. You never did listen before but now the shoe is on the other foot.Tch, tch, tch.Btw, I’m very much for Fair Trade and a well regulated free market. Not only Fair Trade but a more Flat world and a well regulated globalisation (if one can convince everyone whose livelihoods one was stepping on before to care and to listen)Will China listen? About as much as you all did before._________________________________________While getting Ted’s message about the vast amounts spent on armaments instead of a space programme, as for moon shots, I do think we shall go there again. “We” being humanity. I don’t care for the nationality. Did the world applaud Armstrong in ’69? Oh yes. I even have an 8mm reel of the first moon landing. The entire world stopped to watch. Why not stop to watch when the next man on the moon is shown on our screens and applaud then, too.
disgustedtaxpayer almost 13 years ago
killbill errs drastically….no scripture in the New Testament says we should pay a government forcible taxes at a high rate to take care of the needy citizens or the world’s needy people.
Scripture says the individual person should show love of God and Neighbor by personally helping his local needy by direct methods….one on one, and face to face. That is true Biblical “charity”……usually done through the local worship center and in our modern times, church organizations that are accountable to the local assemblies.
Scripture gives defense of a nation and police powers to fight crime to government……charity is a person to person responsibility in the Bible.
vhammon almost 13 years ago
Foreign aid makes up roughly ONE percent of federal spending, and about 90% of it MUST be spent by foreign countries on American made products.
Jaedabee Premium Member almost 13 years ago
“….no scripture in the New Testament says we should pay a government forcible taxes at a high rate to take care of the needy citizens or the world’s needy people”- The New Testament does say you should pay your taxes, however. When Jesus was asked what to do with the money by one of the Pharisees, he asked, “Whose face is on that coin?” To which they responded “Caesar’s.” He then said, “Render unto Caesar’s that which is Caesar’s.” There’s a clear separation between God’s law and Man’s law. While God’s law is higher, we’re not absolved of human law.
fritzoid Premium Member almost 13 years ago
DrCanuck: “OK, DT, I agree. People SHOULD help people, as it says in the Bible. But if they DON’T, and people are starving, what should we do about it? Collect taxes or let the starving die? Which do you find morally preferable?”
If you’ll pardon the expression, AMEN, Brother!
Besides, what IS in the Constitution is this:“In Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…”
“Promote the general Welfare” doesn’t necessarily require footing the bills for food, shelter, and medical care for the poor, but it certainly does not preclude it, and it gives the lie to those who claim that the Founders intended a nation where no citizen has any obligation to be concerned with the well-being of his fellows.
“We have heard of the impious doctrine in the Old World, that the people were made for kings, not kings for the people. Is the same doctrine to be revived in the New, in another shape that the solid happiness of the people is to be sacrificed to the views of political institutions of a different form? It is too early for politicians to presume on our forgetting that the public good, the real welfare of the great body of the people, is the supreme object to be pursued; and that no form of government whatever has any other value than as it may be fitted for the attainment of this object.” — James Madison, Federalist Paper No. 45
killbillvs007 almost 13 years ago
@Kim
We are on the same team, I’m pointing out piety/hypocrisy of the pew fillers.
Disgustedtaxpayer has yet to address the question Dr. Canuck has posed
killbillvs007 almost 13 years ago
@worldisacomic
I misquoted him, but got close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY