Haha, don’t forget how the Vice Prez is not part of the Legislative Branch, and how the US joined with the French to defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon and how we spend more in a month in Iraq than the whole Afghanistan war… etc etc…
Mach: Vice Prez IS NOT part of the Legislative Branch, he has the ability to vote only in case of tied votation. This distortion of the Constitution appeared only in Cheeney’s twisted mind.
whether you like it or not, or whether Biden knows it or not, the Vice Prez has all the Constitutional right He needs to influence legislation, as He is the President of the Senate and can preside over the process every day if He wishes…
“The first President of the Senate, John Adams, cast twenty-nine tie-breaking votes — a record that none of his successors have matched. His votes protected the president’s sole authority over the removal of appointees, influenced the location of the national capital, and prevented war with Great Britain. On at least one occasion he persuaded senators to vote against legislation that he opposed, and he frequently lectured the Senate on procedural and policy matters. Adams’s political views and his active role in the Senate made him a natural target for critics of the Washington administration. Toward the end of his first term, as a result of a threatened resolution that would have silenced him except for procedural and policy matters, he began to exercise more restraint in the hope of realizing the goal shared by many of his successors: election in his own right as president of the United States. ”
“whether you like it or not, or whether Biden knows it or not, the Vice Prez has all the Constitutional right”
Way to go Machado! I love how there are no responses to your comment from the peanut gallery. The same thing happens to me when I prove them wrong with facts and not what I FEEL the situation is!
Nice little piece of hypocrisy there, Machado. Or, maybe it was just an accident that you left out the sentence that precedes your quoted text:
“There is a strong convention within the U.S. Senate that the vice president not use his position as President of the Senate to influence the passage of legislation or act in a partisan manner, except in the case of breaking tie votes.”
You probably also want to ignore the fact that the 12h Amendment regarding the election of the vice president was passed in direct opposition to the circumstances that led to Adams, a member of the opposition party, exploiting the legislative empowerment of the office for partisan and political purposes.
I guess now you’ll argue that precedence and constitutional amendments have no legal standing. Keep up the good fight - some day, surely, you’ll get to own those slaves you think the constitution guarantees you a right to own…
Hypocrisy? I gave you the link,didn’t I ? and as far as I’m concern “strong convention within the senate” is not the law of the land.
Besides, If anyone thinks that Presidents and Vice presidents don’t work behind the scenes to influence votes, then you’re living in a cartoon’s world.
And I don’t see anything pertaining to Vice Prez restrictions in the 12th amendment..as far as I can tell this amendment had to do with ‘electoral votes’ procedures….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Amendment
Yes - you provided a link, and omitted the sentence that would have provided proper context for your quote. And in your reply, you discounted the validity of precedence, as I predicted.
Also, if you’ll reread my post, you’ll note that I expressly stated the 12th amendment was passed in large part due to Congress’ concern for the abuse of office they saw in Adams’ actions (which you cite), and they wanted to ensure that electoral politics limited partisan action by the vice president to the greatest extent possible.
I think he discounted the validity of precedence because it’s invalid. Next to the written law of the Constitution, precedence means nothing. The VP is the president of the Senate. He only has a vote in tie-breaking situations, but has the legal right to preside over it.
The 12th amendment has nothing to do with the VP’s role, only the VP’s selection. It ensured that a President wouldn’t have an opponent as VP. It also ensured that Congress wouldn’t select a Presidential candidate’s running mate as President out of spite, in the case where an electoral majority did not exist.
Lalas said:
”So if Cheney is ‘only’ The President of the Senate then why the Hell is he running the country?”
Because you’re susceptible to leftist propaganda, Oliver Stone has a new movie coming up, especially targeted to fellows like you, you should check it out, Stone needs to buy a new mansion at your expense….hahaha( just goofing with you);-)
mackado over 15 years ago
Haha, don’t forget how the Vice Prez is not part of the Legislative Branch, and how the US joined with the French to defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon and how we spend more in a month in Iraq than the whole Afghanistan war… etc etc…
Alexus_The_Great over 15 years ago
Mach: Vice Prez IS NOT part of the Legislative Branch, he has the ability to vote only in case of tied votation. This distortion of the Constitution appeared only in Cheeney’s twisted mind.
mackado over 15 years ago
whether you like it or not, or whether Biden knows it or not, the Vice Prez has all the Constitutional right He needs to influence legislation, as He is the President of the Senate and can preside over the process every day if He wishes…
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/United+States+Vice+Presidents%27+tie-breaking+votes
“The first President of the Senate, John Adams, cast twenty-nine tie-breaking votes — a record that none of his successors have matched. His votes protected the president’s sole authority over the removal of appointees, influenced the location of the national capital, and prevented war with Great Britain. On at least one occasion he persuaded senators to vote against legislation that he opposed, and he frequently lectured the Senate on procedural and policy matters. Adams’s political views and his active role in the Senate made him a natural target for critics of the Washington administration. Toward the end of his first term, as a result of a threatened resolution that would have silenced him except for procedural and policy matters, he began to exercise more restraint in the hope of realizing the goal shared by many of his successors: election in his own right as president of the United States. ”
TheGreatSatan over 15 years ago
“whether you like it or not, or whether Biden knows it or not, the Vice Prez has all the Constitutional right”
Way to go Machado! I love how there are no responses to your comment from the peanut gallery. The same thing happens to me when I prove them wrong with facts and not what I FEEL the situation is!
…strange isn’t it?
Sparkadelic over 15 years ago
Nice little piece of hypocrisy there, Machado. Or, maybe it was just an accident that you left out the sentence that precedes your quoted text:
“There is a strong convention within the U.S. Senate that the vice president not use his position as President of the Senate to influence the passage of legislation or act in a partisan manner, except in the case of breaking tie votes.”
You probably also want to ignore the fact that the 12h Amendment regarding the election of the vice president was passed in direct opposition to the circumstances that led to Adams, a member of the opposition party, exploiting the legislative empowerment of the office for partisan and political purposes.
I guess now you’ll argue that precedence and constitutional amendments have no legal standing. Keep up the good fight - some day, surely, you’ll get to own those slaves you think the constitution guarantees you a right to own…
mackado over 15 years ago
Hypocrisy? I gave you the link,didn’t I ? and as far as I’m concern “strong convention within the senate” is not the law of the land.
Besides, If anyone thinks that Presidents and Vice presidents don’t work behind the scenes to influence votes, then you’re living in a cartoon’s world.
And I don’t see anything pertaining to Vice Prez restrictions in the 12th amendment..as far as I can tell this amendment had to do with ‘electoral votes’ procedures…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Amendment
Sparkadelic over 15 years ago
Yes - you provided a link, and omitted the sentence that would have provided proper context for your quote. And in your reply, you discounted the validity of precedence, as I predicted. Also, if you’ll reread my post, you’ll note that I expressly stated the 12th amendment was passed in large part due to Congress’ concern for the abuse of office they saw in Adams’ actions (which you cite), and they wanted to ensure that electoral politics limited partisan action by the vice president to the greatest extent possible.
danTheForth over 15 years ago
I think he discounted the validity of precedence because it’s invalid. Next to the written law of the Constitution, precedence means nothing. The VP is the president of the Senate. He only has a vote in tie-breaking situations, but has the legal right to preside over it.
The 12th amendment has nothing to do with the VP’s role, only the VP’s selection. It ensured that a President wouldn’t have an opponent as VP. It also ensured that Congress wouldn’t select a Presidential candidate’s running mate as President out of spite, in the case where an electoral majority did not exist.
lalas over 15 years ago
So if Cheney is ‘only’ The President of the Senate then why the Hell is he running the country?
mackado over 15 years ago
Lalas said: ”So if Cheney is ‘only’ The President of the Senate then why the Hell is he running the country?” Because you’re susceptible to leftist propaganda, Oliver Stone has a new movie coming up, especially targeted to fellows like you, you should check it out, Stone needs to buy a new mansion at your expense….hahaha( just goofing with you);-)