Umm, you know that the story about the White House supplying coats to the doctors was proven false, right? What, Rush and Glenn didn’t run corrections? I’m shocked.
“Curious how these righty-up-tighties seem to think they know an awful lot about the Third Reich.”
Well, I hail from Czechoslovakia - remember, the first country to be thrown under the proverbial bus, by the appeasers.
My extended family was decimated, first by the Nazis and then by the Communists.
I dare say, that I am a scholar of and an expert on the two above mentioned leftist ideologies.
Cripes, petergrt, you cite one book? Man, try reading every major and virtually every minor historian of WWII and Germany! How about: William Shirer, Richard J. Evans, William Churchill (remember him?), Ian Kershaw, Robert Jay Lifton, Mark Mazower, Edsel & Witter…and these are just the ones I can see on my shelf nearby. So, no, I don’t really need to “educate” myself; I need a bit more evidence from you than one lousy book that says the Nazis liked Nietzsche – and it’s debatable whether you can put old Fred on the left or the right.
To take only one of many examples, the Nazis believed woman’s role was limited to “Kinder, Küche, Kirche” (children, kitchen, church). They were heavily militaristic, which is obviously a more right-wing trait. They believed in hierarchy and the domination of the state over the individual and denied individual rights. They were profoundly conservative in most respects.
Well, over the preceding decades I’ve read countless books on the subject of WWII and related philosophies, as I studied history and philosophy. Even Marxism and Leninism, as it was a required curriculum at the university in Czechoslovakia.
Nazism and Fascism has been almost universally labeled as right wing, capitalist, imperialist, and etc., and I had no reason to doubt it.
After I escaped to the west, and ultimately to the US, I continued my studies. Almost immediately I realized that Nazism and Fascism had a lot more in common with leftist ideologies than American liberalism / capitalism / democracy. But I was particularly troubled by the way WWI gave rise to WWII, and how it was possible for the time’s arguably most educated population to have become so savage, in such a short time.
The then popular explanations I didn’t quite find satisfying, so I continued my search for answers. That brings me to Nietzsche and Professor Stephen R.C. Hicks. His lecture on the DVD is riveting, and it removed much of the haze that engulfed my understanding of the era. Does it answer all the questions? Of course not, but it doesn’t claim to either. He does however put matters in proper perspective.
So, does it boil down to one book? Well, it takes a long extent of time to really understand history. We are discovering new facts, events and the likes, every day. The old KGB archives, for the limited time that they were accessible, provided us with an enormous trove of new data that shed lite on many events. It will be up to new historians to refine, and/or revise our understanding of historical events.
Anyway, seem to be genuinely interested in the subject and I would strongly recommend that you partake of the lecture. You won’t regret it.
petergrt over 14 years ago
Goebbels could not have done a better job - well learned.
ianrey over 14 years ago
Umm, you know that the story about the White House supplying coats to the doctors was proven false, right? What, Rush and Glenn didn’t run corrections? I’m shocked.
Karl Hiller Premium Member over 14 years ago
Yes, doctors wearing doctor outfits is the same thing as the Third Reich. Of course.
HUMPHRIES over 14 years ago
Curious how these righty-up-tighties seem to think they know an awful lot about the Third Reich.
petergrt over 14 years ago
“Curious how these righty-up-tighties seem to think they know an awful lot about the Third Reich.”
Well, I hail from Czechoslovakia - remember, the first country to be thrown under the proverbial bus, by the appeasers. My extended family was decimated, first by the Nazis and then by the Communists.
I dare say, that I am a scholar of and an expert on the two above mentioned leftist ideologies.
Motivemagus over 14 years ago
petergrt, then you should know that Nazism was a RIGHTIST ideology.
petergrt over 14 years ago
” … Nazism was a RIGHTIST ideology.”
In every modern leftist’s dreams. The reality however would be their nightmare …
We have sparred over this some time ago - you need to educate yourself about the subject a bit more before I’ll dignify your comments on the subject.
You might start with this:
http://www.amazon.com/Nietzsche-Nazis-Stephen-R-C-Hicks/dp/B000JMJQGS
http://www.desertdispatch.com/onset?id=719&template=article.html
Motivemagus over 14 years ago
Cripes, petergrt, you cite one book? Man, try reading every major and virtually every minor historian of WWII and Germany! How about: William Shirer, Richard J. Evans, William Churchill (remember him?), Ian Kershaw, Robert Jay Lifton, Mark Mazower, Edsel & Witter…and these are just the ones I can see on my shelf nearby. So, no, I don’t really need to “educate” myself; I need a bit more evidence from you than one lousy book that says the Nazis liked Nietzsche – and it’s debatable whether you can put old Fred on the left or the right. To take only one of many examples, the Nazis believed woman’s role was limited to “Kinder, Küche, Kirche” (children, kitchen, church). They were heavily militaristic, which is obviously a more right-wing trait. They believed in hierarchy and the domination of the state over the individual and denied individual rights. They were profoundly conservative in most respects.
petergrt over 14 years ago
Well, over the preceding decades I’ve read countless books on the subject of WWII and related philosophies, as I studied history and philosophy. Even Marxism and Leninism, as it was a required curriculum at the university in Czechoslovakia.
Nazism and Fascism has been almost universally labeled as right wing, capitalist, imperialist, and etc., and I had no reason to doubt it.
After I escaped to the west, and ultimately to the US, I continued my studies. Almost immediately I realized that Nazism and Fascism had a lot more in common with leftist ideologies than American liberalism / capitalism / democracy. But I was particularly troubled by the way WWI gave rise to WWII, and how it was possible for the time’s arguably most educated population to have become so savage, in such a short time.
The then popular explanations I didn’t quite find satisfying, so I continued my search for answers. That brings me to Nietzsche and Professor Stephen R.C. Hicks. His lecture on the DVD is riveting, and it removed much of the haze that engulfed my understanding of the era. Does it answer all the questions? Of course not, but it doesn’t claim to either. He does however put matters in proper perspective.
So, does it boil down to one book? Well, it takes a long extent of time to really understand history. We are discovering new facts, events and the likes, every day. The old KGB archives, for the limited time that they were accessible, provided us with an enormous trove of new data that shed lite on many events. It will be up to new historians to refine, and/or revise our understanding of historical events.
Anyway, seem to be genuinely interested in the subject and I would strongly recommend that you partake of the lecture. You won’t regret it.