Countries with the most frequent use of the death penalty in 2008 (most recent I could find) in decreasing order:
China
Iran
Saudi Arabia
USA
Pakistan
This is not a club I am anxious to belong to.
^Name those.
Only country that I think is like that are the Taliban areas of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Usually, when people from a country are too civilized to let the State kill convicted criminals, they are too civilized to take matters in their own hands.
Well, charlie, your point makes no sense relative to my obvious point, which is that most civilized nations have banned capital punishment outright, and we haven’t, and that’s the bottom line. Those that haven’t include the ones on that list. I don’t really care if there are countries that do it and don’t admit it. That doesn’t make it any better, does it? It just adds lawless states to the list along with the ones already there – and us.
The Catholic Church has called for its banning, you may recall, under exactly the same moral principle as that for banning abortion and euthanasia. Seems to me you would appreciate that.
charlie, you are rationalizing. The word of the Pope is law within the Church and is not to be ignored by Catholics arbitrarily even if not spoken ex cathedra. Sorry, you’re simply wrong.
Here’s Pope John Paul II, speaking in St. Louis: “I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary,” he said. “Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform.”
The St. Anthony Messenger bracketed that quote saying this: “The core of the homily was a challenge to America to heed this mercy and thus become unconditionally pro-life in every situation: abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, racism, poverty, even capital punishment.”
Pro-Life = no death penalty.
Motivemagus over 13 years ago
Countries with the most frequent use of the death penalty in 2008 (most recent I could find) in decreasing order: China Iran Saudi Arabia USA Pakistan This is not a club I am anxious to belong to.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
^Name those. Only country that I think is like that are the Taliban areas of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
Usually, when people from a country are too civilized to let the State kill convicted criminals, they are too civilized to take matters in their own hands.
Motivemagus over 13 years ago
Well, charlie, your point makes no sense relative to my obvious point, which is that most civilized nations have banned capital punishment outright, and we haven’t, and that’s the bottom line. Those that haven’t include the ones on that list. I don’t really care if there are countries that do it and don’t admit it. That doesn’t make it any better, does it? It just adds lawless states to the list along with the ones already there – and us. The Catholic Church has called for its banning, you may recall, under exactly the same moral principle as that for banning abortion and euthanasia. Seems to me you would appreciate that.
Motivemagus over 13 years ago
charlie, you are rationalizing. The word of the Pope is law within the Church and is not to be ignored by Catholics arbitrarily even if not spoken ex cathedra. Sorry, you’re simply wrong. Here’s Pope John Paul II, speaking in St. Louis: “I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary,” he said. “Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform.” The St. Anthony Messenger bracketed that quote saying this: “The core of the homily was a challenge to America to heed this mercy and thus become unconditionally pro-life in every situation: abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, racism, poverty, even capital punishment.” Pro-Life = no death penalty.