Well, for the actual reform we’d need to wait until 2014 and hope it stays around until then. For now all that was gotten was a bandaid that redresses a few specific cases but will do little for the bigger problems in costs or lack of coverage.
It’s a bad joke how can anyone support this when not a person on the planet knows how much a month it will costs.Cover 40 million more people who could not affort ins.in the first place you know it’s going to cost much more than they told us.
yeah neocon and give those saintly ceos of the insurance industry control over our lives again, because, doggonit, they just did such a great job of it before!
Sooky Rottweiler says;
I feel that elephant’s pain, right now.
Next time my human feels itchy, I’ll tape cotton balls to her fingers. So she’ll know what it’s like to feel itchy without relief!
The most expensive thing taking from my “spectacular government retirement benefit” is the cost of my private corporation contracted health insurance. The FEHB is cheaper than individuals can purchase, and with multiple disabilities, without VA and my “government” plan, I’d be shafted, like totally, on getting ANY “private” company to cover me. The bill is NOT that good, in being too large, and crammed with too many giveaways to corporate “health care” the Republicans wrote into the bill, and yes, Dems too, but a start is a step away from the starting blocks that took over 200 years to achieve.
The Republican health care plan if left alone = funerals.
I am not interested in more options, Harley Quinn, I am interested in better options.
What’s the use of hundred channels when there is so little worth watching? What’s the point of hundred different breakfast cereals when sugar is the main ingredient of 95 of them?
For anyone who has seriously and objectively compared, by cost and benefit and not merely through partisan eyes, the health care systems of Switzerland, Germany, Canada, and even (as it is today, as opposed to a generation ago) Britain, to that in the United States, the conclusion is quite obvious. Our money is being wasted by the tens of billions unnecessarily, and for millions and millions of Americas, the care they receive is inferior, and their lives shorter, more painful, and more anxious as a result.
Read Fennec’s comment about Switzerland.
The RomneyCare plan, that Obama signed into law, is lousy, you are quite right. It is a pastiche of Republican proposals and measures built from the ground up to be bipartisan. Good luck on that! The congress is now more partisan than it has been in over a hundred years, by actual measurement.
The new health care law is a ramshackle and overloaded bus, rather than the bullet train needed. But the only option the GOP gives us is walking.
I hope the GOP does find ways to improve the health care law. But I expect them not to improve it, but to sabotage it, to shoot out its tires, and THEN shout how it has been PROVEN not to work.
Me, I am a libertarian at heart. I want the greatest degree of freedom for myself and my fellow citizens that can be had. Freedom to change jobs, start my own business, go freelance, without fearing that I will either be unable to get health insurance because of my ‘pre-existing conditions’, or be unable to afford a police that costs more than my mortgage.
The GOP policies of the past acted only to keep people chained to their jobs (I would quit if I wasn’t afraid of losing … can’t tell you how many times I have heard that), at least until their employers seem fit to discard them.
We need a system that will relieve businesses from the necessity of providing health benefits to employees, and free individuals to change jobs, or start jobs without fear of bankruptcy or death if they get sick.
The national health insurance they have in Canada, while not perfect, is infinitely better than what we had in this country, and immensely better than the law gradually coming into effect now.
Garrett Harding said it well when he told us that there is no such things as a ‘side-effect’: a side effect is just an effect someone doesn’t want you to pay attention to.
When looking at any system, such a the capitalist system, the communist system, the American health care system, etc. it is absurd to praise the system for its good effects, and then pretend that its bad effects are somehow unconnected with it.
The thousands in this country who have died in recent years for lack of timely care, the hundreds of thousands who have been bankrupted by medical costs, these people are all the victims of a deeply flawed system, though there are millions who are the beneficiaries of that system too.
The new health care law with do both good and harm. The only questions that are relevant are, Is it better than what preceded it? And: What can be done to improve it? That is, what can be done to expand coverage to more people and lower the costs of that coverage?
But the GOP is the always the party of Irresponsibility. There mantra is always: We are not responsible! We are not responsible! We are not responsible for ANYTHING BAD that happens as a ‘side effect’ of anything we do. And therefore we are not responsible to do anything about it!
Name any problem in this country or on this planet, and the conservative reply is always the same WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE! WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS! And our efforts must all go to stopping the people who want to hold us responsible by taking OUR money away from US in taxes and using that money to try to solve problems that can’t be solved, or problems for which WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
Look at the version of American history that conservatives tout: it’s just the same: ‘We are to be highly praised for all the good things that American has accomplished and been, but while bad things happened too, it is always to be remembered that WE WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
^In other words privatize the government and do away with the whole notion of a civilized society. Tell me I.Q. 3,000,000 how does Neocon’s spoadie taste like?
Justice22 over 13 years ago
It is composed mostly of amendments that the GOP proposed. The Dems agreed so the bill would pass even though it is not what was wanted.
cdward over 13 years ago
And if he wins, it’ll be grievous governing.
4uk4ata over 13 years ago
Well, for the actual reform we’d need to wait until 2014 and hope it stays around until then. For now all that was gotten was a bandaid that redresses a few specific cases but will do little for the bigger problems in costs or lack of coverage.
Simon_Jester over 13 years ago
He chewed off three legs and it was still there.
4uk4ata over 13 years ago
“There are many evils in this Bill that will Bite all of us Big Time beginning 2011 with New taxes”
http://tinyurl.com/yk5xeqp
Maybe new tax credits as well, particularly on small firms. Can’t have those, eh?
raycity over 13 years ago
It’s a bad joke how can anyone support this when not a person on the planet knows how much a month it will costs.Cover 40 million more people who could not affort ins.in the first place you know it’s going to cost much more than they told us.
SaltWaterCroc over 13 years ago
Universal health care - it will keep us from becoming a banana republic, which is where we are headed.
tcolkett over 13 years ago
yeah neocon and give those saintly ceos of the insurance industry control over our lives again, because, doggonit, they just did such a great job of it before!
riley05 over 13 years ago
Tigger, you’re being redundant when you said, “There are many evils in this Bill”.
In the very first post Justice22 already pointed out that “It is composed mostly of amendments that the GOP proposed.”
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
ObamaRomneyCare is essentially RomneyCare. If “there’re many evils in the bill” it’s due to it being a predominantly Republican bill.
Republicans have been proposing individual mandates on health care for YEARS. Look at Clinton’s attempt.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
Sooky Rottweiler says; I feel that elephant’s pain, right now. Next time my human feels itchy, I’ll tape cotton balls to her fingers. So she’ll know what it’s like to feel itchy without relief!
pirate227 over 13 years ago
“Looking aggrieved.” LOL!
More like, business as usual.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
Toles’ Friday rant is here:
http://tinyurl.com/2g5g2pv
James Hicks Premium Member over 13 years ago
I’m looking forward to change in November!
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
What are you planning to change into?
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
The most expensive thing taking from my “spectacular government retirement benefit” is the cost of my private corporation contracted health insurance. The FEHB is cheaper than individuals can purchase, and with multiple disabilities, without VA and my “government” plan, I’d be shafted, like totally, on getting ANY “private” company to cover me. The bill is NOT that good, in being too large, and crammed with too many giveaways to corporate “health care” the Republicans wrote into the bill, and yes, Dems too, but a start is a step away from the starting blocks that took over 200 years to achieve.
The Republican health care plan if left alone = funerals.
Justice22 over 13 years ago
Troutma,,,, I appreciate your posts. I never agree with everything anyone says but in general you and I have a lot in common.
The main thing I believe is that we have empathy for our fellow man regardless of how he votes. Women?? Some of them too.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Justice, a warning, do NOT cross my “spousal unit”!!
Doughfoot over 13 years ago
I am not interested in more options, Harley Quinn, I am interested in better options.
What’s the use of hundred channels when there is so little worth watching? What’s the point of hundred different breakfast cereals when sugar is the main ingredient of 95 of them?
For anyone who has seriously and objectively compared, by cost and benefit and not merely through partisan eyes, the health care systems of Switzerland, Germany, Canada, and even (as it is today, as opposed to a generation ago) Britain, to that in the United States, the conclusion is quite obvious. Our money is being wasted by the tens of billions unnecessarily, and for millions and millions of Americas, the care they receive is inferior, and their lives shorter, more painful, and more anxious as a result.
Read Fennec’s comment about Switzerland.
The RomneyCare plan, that Obama signed into law, is lousy, you are quite right. It is a pastiche of Republican proposals and measures built from the ground up to be bipartisan. Good luck on that! The congress is now more partisan than it has been in over a hundred years, by actual measurement.
The new health care law is a ramshackle and overloaded bus, rather than the bullet train needed. But the only option the GOP gives us is walking.
I hope the GOP does find ways to improve the health care law. But I expect them not to improve it, but to sabotage it, to shoot out its tires, and THEN shout how it has been PROVEN not to work.
Me, I am a libertarian at heart. I want the greatest degree of freedom for myself and my fellow citizens that can be had. Freedom to change jobs, start my own business, go freelance, without fearing that I will either be unable to get health insurance because of my ‘pre-existing conditions’, or be unable to afford a police that costs more than my mortgage.
The GOP policies of the past acted only to keep people chained to their jobs (I would quit if I wasn’t afraid of losing … can’t tell you how many times I have heard that), at least until their employers seem fit to discard them.
We need a system that will relieve businesses from the necessity of providing health benefits to employees, and free individuals to change jobs, or start jobs without fear of bankruptcy or death if they get sick.
The national health insurance they have in Canada, while not perfect, is infinitely better than what we had in this country, and immensely better than the law gradually coming into effect now.
Garrett Harding said it well when he told us that there is no such things as a ‘side-effect’: a side effect is just an effect someone doesn’t want you to pay attention to.
When looking at any system, such a the capitalist system, the communist system, the American health care system, etc. it is absurd to praise the system for its good effects, and then pretend that its bad effects are somehow unconnected with it.
The thousands in this country who have died in recent years for lack of timely care, the hundreds of thousands who have been bankrupted by medical costs, these people are all the victims of a deeply flawed system, though there are millions who are the beneficiaries of that system too.
The new health care law with do both good and harm. The only questions that are relevant are, Is it better than what preceded it? And: What can be done to improve it? That is, what can be done to expand coverage to more people and lower the costs of that coverage?
But the GOP is the always the party of Irresponsibility. There mantra is always: We are not responsible! We are not responsible! We are not responsible for ANYTHING BAD that happens as a ‘side effect’ of anything we do. And therefore we are not responsible to do anything about it!
Name any problem in this country or on this planet, and the conservative reply is always the same WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE! WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS! And our efforts must all go to stopping the people who want to hold us responsible by taking OUR money away from US in taxes and using that money to try to solve problems that can’t be solved, or problems for which WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
Look at the version of American history that conservatives tout: it’s just the same: ‘We are to be highly praised for all the good things that American has accomplished and been, but while bad things happened too, it is always to be remembered that WE WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
WarBush over 13 years ago
^In other words privatize the government and do away with the whole notion of a civilized society. Tell me I.Q. 3,000,000 how does Neocon’s spoadie taste like?
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
Spoadie? …googles.. Yikes!
http://tinyurl.com/32g292v
lonecat over 13 years ago
Doughfoot – An eloquent post. Thanks. I hope we hear more from you.
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
Two Toles for one:
http://tinyurl.com/36n7fwb
http://tinyurl.com/2wp3mpk