Its not about religious tolerance with Muslims. The Quran says convert or die! If you believe in Islam then there cannot be tolerance for the rest of us. I say screw them and their Cordoba Shrine of victory.
it’s on private land, an abundance of which remains around the site of the 9/11 attack
under all laws civic and federal, it is protected - whether obama said it or not
my thought is that if the site were surrounded by tabernacles of many faiths - christian, hindu, jewish, catholic - wouldn’t that be an enormous statement of what america is - and has always been?
As I’ve posted elsewhere.. bad taste is not illegal.
Discrimination against people based upon their religion IS ILLEGAL. Either live in this country which is made of laws (and used to have some effing principles) or get the he11 out!
If you’re really pining for fickle and arbitrary hatred of “others” then move to Venezuela or North Korea. You guys just DON’T get it do you?
Tolerance needs to stop being a one way street.
When peoples of different cultures and religions formed this nation over 200 years ago they did it to form a federation with a new identity which would permit people to maintain their expression of faith free from a dogma and church leadership imposed by the rullers, unlike England with it’s Archbishop of Canterbury in the 16th century and beyond or the Vatican’s undue influence in governmental affairs of soverign nations that had occurred in the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries.
Religious leaders in Iran and Saudia Arabia have no hand-off policies when it comes to interfering in the affairs of their neighbors. This is the heritage of the AlQuaeda.
If we have to have a Mosque at ground zero to satisfy the religious needs of people who are making no attempt to be a part of rather than partakers of our national bounty then it would certainly make more sense to spend the money to buy them plane tickets.
Fleabane: The folks, especially Jews, were a lot better off during the “heyday” of Cordova under Islam, than anywhere in Europe for centuries under Popes, or Protestants. When the Muslims started bickering amongst themselves, just like the Christians, things did go downhill, but not compared to European feudalism.(known in the U.S. as Reaganomics.)
“Would islamic people allow a catholic church on one of their holy sites?”
Would Christians allow a mosque in their churche? Don’t ask stupid questions you know the answers to. If this has to do with international affairs the answer is who cares? I care about freedom of religion in America since that’s where we live, not some oppresive third world country that is stuck in the middle ages. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
I’m sure Ramirez had in mind the annual 9/11 memorial services held on the WTC site……and it is a good illustration of the insensitivity of the Islamic planners of a “shrine” to mark the site as Victory over Infidels, as well as the insult to every family of a murdered loved one on 9/11/01, and to Americans in general….most of us that fit into the Koran’s description of “infidels”…..soon, they hope, to be oppressed under US-Taliban sharia laws.
The left wing endorses flag burning as political speech instead of respectful flag display. How tolerant would the left be when the victims of 9/11 express their views by dunking the Koran in a bucket of porcine urine and feces?
SuperGriz over 13 years ago
I though the site had been cleared.
WarBush over 13 years ago
More fear mongering from the right.
warriorwaynorth over 13 years ago
It has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with respect. Would islamic people allow a catholic church on one of their holy sites?
papabob18 over 13 years ago
war criminal - is by its own name - wishes to be just that.- turns out he/she/it is to be pitied
worldisacomic over 13 years ago
Its not about religious tolerance with Muslims. The Quran says convert or die! If you believe in Islam then there cannot be tolerance for the rest of us. I say screw them and their Cordoba Shrine of victory.
parkersinthehouse over 13 years ago
way off base
it’s on private land, an abundance of which remains around the site of the 9/11 attack
under all laws civic and federal, it is protected - whether obama said it or not
my thought is that if the site were surrounded by tabernacles of many faiths - christian, hindu, jewish, catholic - wouldn’t that be an enormous statement of what america is - and has always been?
lalas over 13 years ago
As I’ve posted elsewhere.. bad taste is not illegal. Discrimination against people based upon their religion IS ILLEGAL. Either live in this country which is made of laws (and used to have some effing principles) or get the he11 out!
If you’re really pining for fickle and arbitrary hatred of “others” then move to Venezuela or North Korea. You guys just DON’T get it do you?
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Why can’t any of these idiots look at a map and see it is NOT AT GROUND ZERO!
Also notable that the main objections toward the Flight 93 memorial were that the design might be considered a crescent.
Amoronicans are vocal indeed.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 13 years ago
“Why can’t any of these idiots look at a map and see it is NOT AT GROUND ZERO!”
Maps are a liberal neo-socialist communist plot.jbmorriscpcu over 13 years ago
Tolerance needs to stop being a one way street. When peoples of different cultures and religions formed this nation over 200 years ago they did it to form a federation with a new identity which would permit people to maintain their expression of faith free from a dogma and church leadership imposed by the rullers, unlike England with it’s Archbishop of Canterbury in the 16th century and beyond or the Vatican’s undue influence in governmental affairs of soverign nations that had occurred in the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries. Religious leaders in Iran and Saudia Arabia have no hand-off policies when it comes to interfering in the affairs of their neighbors. This is the heritage of the AlQuaeda. If we have to have a Mosque at ground zero to satisfy the religious needs of people who are making no attempt to be a part of rather than partakers of our national bounty then it would certainly make more sense to spend the money to buy them plane tickets.
rottenprat over 13 years ago
I’d rather see a few buildings on that land. You know, those things with multiple floors occupied by companies and their workers…
petergrt over 13 years ago
“Discrimination against people based upon their religion IS ILLEGAL.”
Is a death cult a religion?
Did the followers of Jim Jones or David Koresh deserve recognition or … . .
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Fleabane: The folks, especially Jews, were a lot better off during the “heyday” of Cordova under Islam, than anywhere in Europe for centuries under Popes, or Protestants. When the Muslims started bickering amongst themselves, just like the Christians, things did go downhill, but not compared to European feudalism.(known in the U.S. as Reaganomics.)
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
Most of the victims of Islamic integrists are other muslims.
I have a tv series about history made in 1978, I watched that as a kid. It’s called “Once upon a time…Man”.
There is a whole episode there about the birth of Islam. Muhammad is seen from the back for most of the episode, his face his not shown.
It was just in 1978, and nobody in the muslim world made a big deal of it. It wouldn’t be like that today.
WHAT HAPPENED???
WarBush over 13 years ago
“Would islamic people allow a catholic church on one of their holy sites?”
Would Christians allow a mosque in their churche? Don’t ask stupid questions you know the answers to. If this has to do with international affairs the answer is who cares? I care about freedom of religion in America since that’s where we live, not some oppresive third world country that is stuck in the middle ages. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
disgustedtaxpayer over 13 years ago
I’m sure Ramirez had in mind the annual 9/11 memorial services held on the WTC site……and it is a good illustration of the insensitivity of the Islamic planners of a “shrine” to mark the site as Victory over Infidels, as well as the insult to every family of a murdered loved one on 9/11/01, and to Americans in general….most of us that fit into the Koran’s description of “infidels”…..soon, they hope, to be oppressed under US-Taliban sharia laws.
Neoindian over 13 years ago
The left wing endorses flag burning as political speech instead of respectful flag display. How tolerant would the left be when the victims of 9/11 express their views by dunking the Koran in a bucket of porcine urine and feces?