Let’s hope this kills off a couple different tar sands pipelines—Keystone XL and Northern Gateway. Unfortunately, they still support a couple of other pipeline constructions: the Trans Mountain expansion and Energy East pipeline. Still, this is equivalent to progressive Democrats taking back Texas. And both the NDP and the Democratic Party recognize the need for solutions beyond “drill, baby, drill.” Both for the sake of their economies and to address the threat to our species from global warming.
^the high school I graduated from was formed new, by combinging students from an all white, from across the river, an all “Mexican” school. I got along fine with all sides, being on track and cross country teams helped, it was “teamwork”. To say that no one hates Mexicans in the southwest, or southern California, Texas, or Ohio, would be ignorant, except you DID say, “that I know”, and indicate mixed heritage. Of course “mixed heritage” only applies to 99% of Americans, most just don’t know it.
Amazing that Lalo and “others like him” are the blamers?? You’re kidding, right?? Have you read ANY of the blogs, especially the right-wingers on this site???
While those who overstay work or student visas are rising in number, I doubt Chinese and Germans are the majority of illegals. btw, I get along fine with my many hispanic friends from school, and after, and all the other folks from other ethnic groups I’ve had for friends over the years.
Odd, how recognizing people as just “people” is hardly the common view in today’s America, and terribly, terribly, sad.
Yeah, it’s funny how many in the GOP don’t even make that distinction, though. Like, as only one for-instance, the rank racism of ol’ cantaloupe-calves Steve King, who is basically running the party’s immigration policy at the moment without anyone on that side really opposing his ideas.
By the way, it sounds like you’d be great in those middle-school spelling bees.
Here’s Steve King’s statement on illegal immigration.
Maybe you should check the dude’s record before picking out a single statement to try to prove he’s not anti-immigrant. He does things like compare immigrants in general to dogs; claims that the vast majority of DREAMers are drug mules; has a strong record of supporting limiting overall immigration; wants a constitutional amendment that would eliminate birthright citizenship (it requires a constitutional amendment because that right is enshrined in our constitution); and so on. And he’s just one among what has turned into a nativist, anti-immigrant party. Cherry-picking a single speech doesn’t change all this.
As for having open borders, in fact there are many countries that already do have these between themselves. The European Union comes to mind. (And yes, we all know that the borders into the EU aren’t open.) Several Mercosur countries in South America are making progress toward opening their borders to each other. Countries in the Mekong region are also seriously considering opening their borders further to each other. Here’s an incomplete list of open-border agreements.
Aside from this, it’s interesting that some of the strongest US proponents of free trade are also often the strongest opponents of free migration. It makes sense, since allowing capital to move around unfettered, free to abandon one captive population in favor of another that’ll work for less, greatly benefits from this state of affairs.
At the same time, this to me is more an argument against most free trade agreements than it is for all border controls to all of a sudden disappear. While right-wing hyperventilation over the possibility of the entire nation of Mexico to suddenly take up residency in Poughkeepsie is to completely misunderstand migration dynamics, there are compelling reasons not to immediately disband ICE. But especially for immigrants who are already here—including large numbers who were brought over as small children (i.e., not of their own impetus)—and are already contributing to our economy. The best thing for everyone (yes, including you) is that they be allowed to become fully contributing members of society.
Typical that you’d dismiss an article link without even bothering to read it. I notice you didn’t contradict anything it actually said. Heck, I’ll at least check the facts of a Breitbart article and take ‘em apart on substance if it’s warranted. But you’re apparently happy to keep that little noggin of yours locked down tight.
As for open borders, they’d be great in an ideal world, and there are gradations of openness in any case. But, pray tell, what makes open borders automatic foolishness? And do you support open borders for finance and goods? Why or why not? What makes this different or the same than free trade in labor?
It’s interesting that if Churchie and the ilk were to touch the plaque on the Statue of LIberty, they’d either demand it be destroyed, or their heads would explode. And yes, those framers of the Constitution DID support immigration (voluntary or not), and the statement on being “natural born” to become President, was just to eliminate England/France, et al sending in a ringer with no interest in serving the people first. (They had experience with British “governors” during that whole colony thing.)
Yes we need some rules and contraints, but “give me only your wealthy aristocrats, willing to subvert the middle class” isn’t one of them, and isn’t on that statue.
Hispanic women in the USA who marry others (French, Swedes, Italians, etc.) are typically keeping their maiden names and bestowing that surname on their children, since job, school, and other benefits will follow their “minority status.” A hispanic surname may be worth several hundred thousand dollars in the USA today.
louieglutz about 9 years ago
still recovering from MSNBC’s little 2014 celebration…
agrestic about 9 years ago
Let’s hope this kills off a couple different tar sands pipelines—Keystone XL and Northern Gateway. Unfortunately, they still support a couple of other pipeline constructions: the Trans Mountain expansion and Energy East pipeline. Still, this is equivalent to progressive Democrats taking back Texas. And both the NDP and the Democratic Party recognize the need for solutions beyond “drill, baby, drill.” Both for the sake of their economies and to address the threat to our species from global warming.
Dtroutma about 9 years ago
^the high school I graduated from was formed new, by combinging students from an all white, from across the river, an all “Mexican” school. I got along fine with all sides, being on track and cross country teams helped, it was “teamwork”. To say that no one hates Mexicans in the southwest, or southern California, Texas, or Ohio, would be ignorant, except you DID say, “that I know”, and indicate mixed heritage. Of course “mixed heritage” only applies to 99% of Americans, most just don’t know it.
Amazing that Lalo and “others like him” are the blamers?? You’re kidding, right?? Have you read ANY of the blogs, especially the right-wingers on this site???
While those who overstay work or student visas are rising in number, I doubt Chinese and Germans are the majority of illegals. btw, I get along fine with my many hispanic friends from school, and after, and all the other folks from other ethnic groups I’ve had for friends over the years.
Odd, how recognizing people as just “people” is hardly the common view in today’s America, and terribly, terribly, sad.
braindead Premium Member about 9 years ago
Lee Trevino said that there were no rich Mexicans. When they get to a certain level of wealth, they become Spanish.
agrestic about 9 years ago
Yeah, it’s funny how many in the GOP don’t even make that distinction, though. Like, as only one for-instance, the rank racism of ol’ cantaloupe-calves Steve King, who is basically running the party’s immigration policy at the moment without anyone on that side really opposing his ideas.
By the way, it sounds like you’d be great in those middle-school spelling bees.
agrestic about 9 years ago
Here’s Steve King’s statement on illegal immigration.
Maybe you should check the dude’s record before picking out a single statement to try to prove he’s not anti-immigrant. He does things like compare immigrants in general to dogs; claims that the vast majority of DREAMers are drug mules; has a strong record of supporting limiting overall immigration; wants a constitutional amendment that would eliminate birthright citizenship (it requires a constitutional amendment because that right is enshrined in our constitution); and so on. And he’s just one among what has turned into a nativist, anti-immigrant party. Cherry-picking a single speech doesn’t change all this.
As for having open borders, in fact there are many countries that already do have these between themselves. The European Union comes to mind. (And yes, we all know that the borders into the EU aren’t open.) Several Mercosur countries in South America are making progress toward opening their borders to each other. Countries in the Mekong region are also seriously considering opening their borders further to each other. Here’s an incomplete list of open-border agreements.
Aside from this, it’s interesting that some of the strongest US proponents of free trade are also often the strongest opponents of free migration. It makes sense, since allowing capital to move around unfettered, free to abandon one captive population in favor of another that’ll work for less, greatly benefits from this state of affairs.
At the same time, this to me is more an argument against most free trade agreements than it is for all border controls to all of a sudden disappear. While right-wing hyperventilation over the possibility of the entire nation of Mexico to suddenly take up residency in Poughkeepsie is to completely misunderstand migration dynamics, there are compelling reasons not to immediately disband ICE. But especially for immigrants who are already here—including large numbers who were brought over as small children (i.e., not of their own impetus)—and are already contributing to our economy. The best thing for everyone (yes, including you) is that they be allowed to become fully contributing members of society.
agrestic about 9 years ago
Typical that you’d dismiss an article link without even bothering to read it. I notice you didn’t contradict anything it actually said. Heck, I’ll at least check the facts of a Breitbart article and take ‘em apart on substance if it’s warranted. But you’re apparently happy to keep that little noggin of yours locked down tight.
As for open borders, they’d be great in an ideal world, and there are gradations of openness in any case. But, pray tell, what makes open borders automatic foolishness? And do you support open borders for finance and goods? Why or why not? What makes this different or the same than free trade in labor?
Dtroutma about 9 years ago
It’s interesting that if Churchie and the ilk were to touch the plaque on the Statue of LIberty, they’d either demand it be destroyed, or their heads would explode. And yes, those framers of the Constitution DID support immigration (voluntary or not), and the statement on being “natural born” to become President, was just to eliminate England/France, et al sending in a ringer with no interest in serving the people first. (They had experience with British “governors” during that whole colony thing.)
Yes we need some rules and contraints, but “give me only your wealthy aristocrats, willing to subvert the middle class” isn’t one of them, and isn’t on that statue.
doverdan about 9 years ago
Hispanic women in the USA who marry others (French, Swedes, Italians, etc.) are typically keeping their maiden names and bestowing that surname on their children, since job, school, and other benefits will follow their “minority status.” A hispanic surname may be worth several hundred thousand dollars in the USA today.