I love it when righties throw hissy-fits don’t you?
First of all harley, ti’s the all star-game, not the world series that’s getting all the boycott talk. Let’s start with that.
Second, this cartoon has nothing to do with either one. Parra plays for the Arizona Diamondbacks, the local team.
Third, hey it’s you conservatives who’re so big on individual rights…and guess what? That also includes the right NOT to attend any sporting event you don’t want to , for whatever reason you want to. And also to urge others to do the same.
Fourth, the oppostition to this law, ( despite all the rightwing rhetoric of late ) is not, nor has it ever been about letting the illegals off the hook; it’s about the possiblity that folks who ARE citizens may find themselves in Dutch, coz they don’t have papers on them at the wrong moment..
Fifth, how about asking the EMPLOYERS of illegal aliens to show some papers?’ ( This new law does nothing of the kind. ) No, no…we can’t do that, can we? That would be (shudder!) GOVERNMENT interfering in the private sector.
And lastly….what slays me is that so many people in Arizona are surprised that this is happening. When AZ nixed the Martlin Luther King holiday, the Fiesta Bowl couldn’t attract good teams to save Western Civilization.
Bruce, the problem with the law is that it puts the law enforcement officer in charge of deciding that someone might be illegal. How do they determine this? It is a state, not an action. Answer: not described in the law, left up to the judgment of the law enforcement officer, which is not acceptable Constitutionally.
The rest of the law is fine.
In a state like Arizona that has 400,000+ or so aliens, how do you decide who to check and charge? Do you want to tie up law enforcement officers, the courts, fill the jails, bog down the judicial system processing deportations? And then who does the work these people are doing? This problem goes far beyond normal law enforcement. These people come for jobs. I’m curious as to why employers do not have to “check the papers” for legal citizenship in all hirings. Seems to me there is a lot of closing a blind eye in the interests of employers and profits.
Again, as Bruce said, this allows law enforcement officers to determine citizenship AFTER a legal violation has occurred. You can get all conspiratorial if you want, but what’s the beef with pulling over a drunk driver and saying, “Hey, you’re not even supposed to be in this country!”
And I am tired of the “come here for jobs argument.” Some certainly do, and some certainly do not. Yes, let’s crack down on the hiring process that allows it, but the question is not about labor, it’s about a border and legality.
Is the objective to enforce citizenship or not? If legal citizenship is important, take the necessary steps to enforce the laws and stop the jerking around. A misdemeanour triggering a citizenship check is a cute and politically correct way of circumventing rights that in the end will solve nothing.
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET…………………………..
1 - A JOB,
2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE,
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
4 - WELFARE,
5 - FOOD STAMPS,
6 - CREDIT CARDS,
7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
8 - FREE EDUCATION,
9 - FREE HEALTH CARE,
10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON ,
11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE,
12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT.
dfish - yes they have paper check with sec state they were born in you can get a copy – which is more than you can say about bho– cfine thanks for the info – 4671 good point
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Hmm, did AIG, GM, Chrysler, Halliburton, KBR, show “papers”?
petergrt about 14 years ago
LA too is a sanctuary city >> parts of it resemble Tijuana …
In fact, LAPD is prohibited by Special Order 40 from inquiring about alien status or to cooperate with the Feds … .
http://www.ci.la.ca.us/oig/SpecialOrder40708061v1.pdf
Simon_Jester about 14 years ago
I love it when righties throw hissy-fits don’t you?
First of all harley, ti’s the all star-game, not the world series that’s getting all the boycott talk. Let’s start with that.
Second, this cartoon has nothing to do with either one. Parra plays for the Arizona Diamondbacks, the local team.
Third, hey it’s you conservatives who’re so big on individual rights…and guess what? That also includes the right NOT to attend any sporting event you don’t want to , for whatever reason you want to. And also to urge others to do the same.
Fourth, the oppostition to this law, ( despite all the rightwing rhetoric of late ) is not, nor has it ever been about letting the illegals off the hook; it’s about the possiblity that folks who ARE citizens may find themselves in Dutch, coz they don’t have papers on them at the wrong moment..
Fifth, how about asking the EMPLOYERS of illegal aliens to show some papers?’ ( This new law does nothing of the kind. ) No, no…we can’t do that, can we? That would be (shudder!) GOVERNMENT interfering in the private sector.
And lastly….what slays me is that so many people in Arizona are surprised that this is happening. When AZ nixed the Martlin Luther King holiday, the Fiesta Bowl couldn’t attract good teams to save Western Civilization.
Motivemagus about 14 years ago
Bruce, the problem with the law is that it puts the law enforcement officer in charge of deciding that someone might be illegal. How do they determine this? It is a state, not an action. Answer: not described in the law, left up to the judgment of the law enforcement officer, which is not acceptable Constitutionally. The rest of the law is fine.
Gypsy8 about 14 years ago
In a state like Arizona that has 400,000+ or so aliens, how do you decide who to check and charge? Do you want to tie up law enforcement officers, the courts, fill the jails, bog down the judicial system processing deportations? And then who does the work these people are doing? This problem goes far beyond normal law enforcement. These people come for jobs. I’m curious as to why employers do not have to “check the papers” for legal citizenship in all hirings. Seems to me there is a lot of closing a blind eye in the interests of employers and profits.
HabaneroBuck about 14 years ago
Again, as Bruce said, this allows law enforcement officers to determine citizenship AFTER a legal violation has occurred. You can get all conspiratorial if you want, but what’s the beef with pulling over a drunk driver and saying, “Hey, you’re not even supposed to be in this country!”
And I am tired of the “come here for jobs argument.” Some certainly do, and some certainly do not. Yes, let’s crack down on the hiring process that allows it, but the question is not about labor, it’s about a border and legality.
Gypsy8 about 14 years ago
Is the objective to enforce citizenship or not? If legal citizenship is important, take the necessary steps to enforce the laws and stop the jerking around. A misdemeanour triggering a citizenship check is a cute and politically correct way of circumventing rights that in the end will solve nothing.
comYics about 14 years ago
Kick em out already.
cfimeiatpap about 14 years ago
Let me see if I got this right…..
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET………………………….. 1 - A JOB, 2 - A DRIVERS LICENSE, 3 - SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, 4 - WELFARE, 5 - FOOD STAMPS, 6 - CREDIT CARDS, 7 - SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, 8 - FREE EDUCATION, 9 - FREE HEALTH CARE, 10 - A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON , 11 - BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE, 12 - AND THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE
I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE SITUATION…
oneoldhat about 14 years ago
dfish - yes they have paper check with sec state they were born in you can get a copy – which is more than you can say about bho– cfine thanks for the info – 4671 good point
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 14 years ago
America sure looks good if you always compare it to the lowest of them all.