Ted Rall for December 11, 2014

Wow we killed six million terror suspects through torture? Were also killing gays, religious dissidents, and invading supposed American homelands

Complete garbage.The $40,000,000 that Democrat Senators spent to produce this crap might as well have went to propaganda commercials on Al Jazeera.EVERY American involved in this supposed “torture” says that these techniques saved American lives by preventing terrorist attacks.Btw…. Were some Terrorists uncomforted?Ya buddy! They were SO lucky they were in American custody.They were terrorists trying to kill even more than the 3,000 Americans on 9/11.If you think that’s torture, try talking to a POW that was in the hands of the Vietnamese, Japanese or Germans and ask them what torture is. It wasn’t lack of sleep and loud music they went through. It was electric shock to genitals, acid poured on skin and eyes gouged out, to name a few.Oh and try to talk to an American that’s been captured by the Islamic State (ISIS). That’s right you can’t, their heads were sawed off alive with a knife.Cry me a river Rall!

It’s all three, and more, Ted. What bothers me most is how close too many Americans are coming to supporting holocaust, like all the bloggers etc. calling for the killing of all Muslims, as “a blessed event”. (But there are 1.5billion plus of them, so more complex.)

And Ted proves that even the 2-inch putts can be chipped into a water hazard.

MAN, you guys are good at missing the point!

Ted Rall: too bad some comments can’t simply be deleted. Conservegov posted the exact same comment on Tom Toles’ ‘toon. It’s probably scattered all over.As far as sleep deprivation and loud music are concerned, OF COURSE they’re torture. Conservegov should try listening to Mary Had A Littlle Lamb at 140 decibels, with strobe lights flashing, for 40 hours straight, while standing in a bare concrete cell. I think they’d change their mind about it.

I am sure the multiple Benghazi reports cost much more and accomplished nothing. This issue is very simple, it is about who we are. Torture is evil period. No justification or the ends justify the means is sufficient to wash it clean. A sleazy lawyer cannot justify it. It should never happen again.

Ted Rall – Thanks for the ’toon and the additional comments.

So how much does the Challah cost?

Here’s the problem. If we say we only torture bad people, and we also get to define “bad people”, then anyone who tortures can say “I only torture bad people, and here’s what I mean by bad people: Jews, Roma, homosexuals, etc.” The Nazis never said, “Hey, let’s torture and kill a lot of innocent people”.

First, the question here is not capital punishment, but torture. If these people had been put on trial and convicted and sentenced to die, that would be a completely different moral question.

Second, if I decide that I want to torture or kill a group, I can certainly figure out a way to say it’s because of what they do. Some people who post here feel that anal intercourse is really bad — that could easily be used to justify killing male homosexuals, because of what they do. Jews, well, we all know they control the finances of the world and are determined to destroy Aryan culture. That’s what they do. So off to the gas chambers!!!

What I’m thinking about is the german soldiers who said they only followed orders and got prosecuted, shouldn’t the same apply here? Doesn’t matter if the agents followed orders – they still did it.

Just a note: those coming out of Korea, Viet Nam, or Guantanamo all will tell you that the psychological torture is worse than physical. And the after effects may well last much longer.