I have never understood the power of the gun lobby. I grew up with guns. I lived in mountains and I got my first gun (a 22) when I was six, and everyone around me had guns.
The Cub Scouts and Girl Scouts gave classes in gun safety. You could buy a gun at the local drugstore.
My mother was a reporter for the local newspaper, and from time to time would attend meetings on gun control, and at every meeting it was agreed that, like gettting a licence to drive a car or fly a plane, you should have to take a class and pass a test before you could get a licence to buy a gun – and this was in an area that never voted DEM in it’s life!
If you have had guns, and used guns you know how deadly they can be, and why they should be controlled.
For reasons I can’t understand I am sure you could get a law requiring abortions through Congress before you could get a law on gun control.
The gun nuts remind me of a Jim Garner movie title about some “mean” dog suspects- “They Only Kill Their Masters”. It seems to work out that way when you mix red necks and blue steel.
The new case is indeed going to bring out the lunatic fringe.
trout, so by “gun nuts” you are referring to Warren and his family? They sound like a large percentage of gun owners nationally. Purchased for sport. In the more urban areas, they may be purchased for personal protection. I think that the “gun control” you want, is to keep them out of the hands of criminals. Umm, yes. Just like we keep illegal narcotics out of the hands of criminals. There are federal laws about drugs. Works like a charm.
Ken, a law requiring abortions? Do you mean like China with enforced population contro;? Where do you live that there is not gun control? Just curious. In my state, there are many laws on the books. This strip is just identifying that some regulations lie within the juristiction of the state, and the feds should keep out of it. If you believe that the “United States” should be abolished,and just have one federal government, that could save alot of expenses. We could eliminate congress altogether! And all those pesky state taxes and congresses and governors and such. Waste of time and money!
Gun nuts are the primary line of defense between you and a belligerent government. The democrats have shown they have no regard for our right to live, individual freedom, Constitution, or decency. Gun nuts keep this country from becoming like Nazi Germany or Soviet Union of last century.
Like Ken, I’m a gun owner, with concealed weapons permit that IS a “license”- with background check and proof of experience and competency with weapons and their use.
I’ve got military and law enforcement experience carrying, and using, weapons on a regular basis. It IS that history that makes me question the motives, and sanity, of many in the “gun lobby”. There IS a difference between responsible gun owners, and “gun nuts”, and my experiences support my designation of these distinctly different entities.
Pretty sure the militias of the late 1700s weren’t gun nuts in the sense of the term today. I’m sure they almost all had guns… but they probably didn’t play Dirty Harry in their basements.
So I guess I don’t see how they’re really standing between me and this out-of-control gov’t. Ask anyone from a former Soviet Bloc if they think the US gov’t is out of control (at least domestically).
Go out and talk to policemen, and they will tell you that having a gun is a danger to you and your family, that guns are almost never used for “protection”, and that pulling a gun always makes a situation more dangerous.
They will also tell you that it’s been months, and years, since they have had to use their gun, and that pointing a gun at a person does not make the situation better.
Also, sorry to say, they will tell you that most of the new gun owners never took a class, and have little or no training in using a gun.
The “Guardian Angels” were unarmed. The “Patriot Guard Riders” were formed to protect the integrity of families of the “fallen” from RIGHT WING nut cases. Arian Nations is now trying to move to Oregon from Idaho, and NOT being received with open arms (no pun).
There is a very odd admix possible with “militia” groups. The ones we have out there now crawling through the bushes are indeed a little on the “odd” side of “right”.
Of course what you propose IS the basic tenet of what Switzerland has had for a long, long time.
BTW, in seven years in law enforcement, I drew my weapon once- when a guy reached for what turned out to be a screwdriver he was using as a break in tool. NO, I did NOT shoot him. I fear that a lot of panicky folks in a militia might WELL HAVE shot him. (or AT him) It is the very NRA “Armed Citizen” stories that make me believe this probability.
Recall, also that the 2nd Amendment (“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”) was written at a time when the nation had no standing army. With the largest military budget in the world, far exceeding our closest rivals (China, Russia), you can’t say we’re not well defended. Gun owners are no defense against that same armed force if it should be turned against its own population. On the other hand, if there were a civil war between right wingnuts and left wingnuts (and it sounds like it in these forums sometimes), then I’d have to bet on the right wingnuts as being better armed…
A question is whether we can have a civil society that isn’t so heavily armed. Sure we can. Many other nations already do. “An armed society is a polite society” is utter BS. An armed society is one based on fear and intimidation. It is not civilization.
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Why is it that “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms” is all that is emphasized in any discussion about the 2nd Amendment? Why has “…well regulated” been ignored or forgotten?
If I need a license to ‘well regulate’ (control) my car and my dog, why shouldn’t all the gun owners be required to license their guns? Gun control is established right there in the Constitution!
Dear Bluejayz – I haven’t seen you here much. Welcome. As you have certainly noticed, this list specializes in calm, reasoned discussion with respect for all posters. We may disagree, but we appreciate and welcome a variety of viewpoints stated in a mature and thoughtful manner. Post are also characterized b good spelling, proper punctuation, and correct grammar.
Guns were intended for every American to have to protect this country incase it was attacked and needed help from the people. It is written in the second amendment that every American Citizen has the right to protect themselves and the land.
That is what the second amendment is about, and yes those messing with it are anti American and not smart enough to figure it out that America is already being invaded.
^ Thanks for the clarification! The SA version in the old days also had “refresher camps” every year as a reservist for about 10 years after white males did their initial 2 year stint but still a far cry from what you describe about the Swiss.
I also thought I’d look up whether or not the Swiss army actually carry the Schweizer Offiziersmesser (erm, Swiss Army knife to you & me).
Didya know ”During the late 1880s, the Swiss Army decided to purchase a new folding pocket knife for their soldiers. …suitable to help the army in opening canned food and disassembling the Schmidt-Rubin model 1889 service rifle.”
Latest model issued: ”Soldatenmesser 08 (Soldier Knife 08) for the Swiss army since December 2008”During the first basic training sessions of 2009 the new Soldier Knives were issued to Swiss troops
Funky!
And they still do make cuckoo clocks! And they bank, a lot.
What do you think was happening when these Amendments were written? It is about the protection of each American and the right to defend one’s self.
As far as the “Paranoia” cowardly comment. Unfortunately the “destroyer” uses little details to corrupt massive portions. It is basic logic and reason and discipline that prevents it.
An example is the excessive confusion attributed to that amendment. Through a uncondemning view it is basic and intended to protect it’s people. Lie’s cause confusion. When it was written, it was not confusing because it was understood that it was intended for a useful way of protecting North America. Denying rights of Americans to bear arms, then claiming to be apart of the constitution is exactly how come your confused about it. Your 2 faced and afraid to admit it.
^Who’s generally funnier -dogs or cats? I think cats are never intentionally funny, but dogs have a sense of humor. At least my poodle does – she gets a big grin when something strikes her as funny.
jqmcd over 14 years ago
hoo boy, this subject will be generating some flame wars in the coming days…
so, which is it? 2nd Amendment, or States’ Rights?
the Right likes to tout states’ rights, except when they go against the Right’s agenda…
we do have limits on free speech, why not reasonable limits on weapons possession?
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
I have never understood the power of the gun lobby. I grew up with guns. I lived in mountains and I got my first gun (a 22) when I was six, and everyone around me had guns.
The Cub Scouts and Girl Scouts gave classes in gun safety. You could buy a gun at the local drugstore.
My mother was a reporter for the local newspaper, and from time to time would attend meetings on gun control, and at every meeting it was agreed that, like gettting a licence to drive a car or fly a plane, you should have to take a class and pass a test before you could get a licence to buy a gun – and this was in an area that never voted DEM in it’s life!
If you have had guns, and used guns you know how deadly they can be, and why they should be controlled.
For reasons I can’t understand I am sure you could get a law requiring abortions through Congress before you could get a law on gun control.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
The gun nuts remind me of a Jim Garner movie title about some “mean” dog suspects- “They Only Kill Their Masters”. It seems to work out that way when you mix red necks and blue steel.
The new case is indeed going to bring out the lunatic fringe.
Loco80 over 14 years ago
trout, so by “gun nuts” you are referring to Warren and his family? They sound like a large percentage of gun owners nationally. Purchased for sport. In the more urban areas, they may be purchased for personal protection. I think that the “gun control” you want, is to keep them out of the hands of criminals. Umm, yes. Just like we keep illegal narcotics out of the hands of criminals. There are federal laws about drugs. Works like a charm.
Ken, a law requiring abortions? Do you mean like China with enforced population contro;? Where do you live that there is not gun control? Just curious. In my state, there are many laws on the books. This strip is just identifying that some regulations lie within the juristiction of the state, and the feds should keep out of it. If you believe that the “United States” should be abolished,and just have one federal government, that could save alot of expenses. We could eliminate congress altogether! And all those pesky state taxes and congresses and governors and such. Waste of time and money!
johnmcfarm over 14 years ago
Gun nuts are the primary line of defense between you and a belligerent government. The democrats have shown they have no regard for our right to live, individual freedom, Constitution, or decency. Gun nuts keep this country from becoming like Nazi Germany or Soviet Union of last century.
So, show a little respect and intelligence.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 14 years ago
^ We have our new Scott Frietas…
Sooky Rottweiler says; Don’t feed the troll, he has plenty of troll feed already in his bowl. Now move on, nothing to sniff here.
oneoldhat over 14 years ago
zzazzenn said, about 18 hours ago
we do have limits on free speech, why not reasonable limits on weapons possession?
what is reasonable limits?
c frog gun nuts beat brits at baltimore
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 14 years ago
Someone who takes the gun when it is needed is a hero. Someone who takes the gun all the time is a gun nut.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Like Ken, I’m a gun owner, with concealed weapons permit that IS a “license”- with background check and proof of experience and competency with weapons and their use.
I’ve got military and law enforcement experience carrying, and using, weapons on a regular basis. It IS that history that makes me question the motives, and sanity, of many in the “gun lobby”. There IS a difference between responsible gun owners, and “gun nuts”, and my experiences support my designation of these distinctly different entities.
lalas over 14 years ago
Pretty sure the militias of the late 1700s weren’t gun nuts in the sense of the term today. I’m sure they almost all had guns… but they probably didn’t play Dirty Harry in their basements.
So I guess I don’t see how they’re really standing between me and this out-of-control gov’t. Ask anyone from a former Soviet Bloc if they think the US gov’t is out of control (at least domestically).
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
Go out and talk to policemen, and they will tell you that having a gun is a danger to you and your family, that guns are almost never used for “protection”, and that pulling a gun always makes a situation more dangerous.
They will also tell you that it’s been months, and years, since they have had to use their gun, and that pointing a gun at a person does not make the situation better.
Also, sorry to say, they will tell you that most of the new gun owners never took a class, and have little or no training in using a gun.
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Bruce:
The “Guardian Angels” were unarmed. The “Patriot Guard Riders” were formed to protect the integrity of families of the “fallen” from RIGHT WING nut cases. Arian Nations is now trying to move to Oregon from Idaho, and NOT being received with open arms (no pun).
There is a very odd admix possible with “militia” groups. The ones we have out there now crawling through the bushes are indeed a little on the “odd” side of “right”.
Of course what you propose IS the basic tenet of what Switzerland has had for a long, long time.
BTW, in seven years in law enforcement, I drew my weapon once- when a guy reached for what turned out to be a screwdriver he was using as a break in tool. NO, I did NOT shoot him. I fear that a lot of panicky folks in a militia might WELL HAVE shot him. (or AT him) It is the very NRA “Armed Citizen” stories that make me believe this probability.
jqmcd about 14 years ago
Recall, also that the 2nd Amendment (“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”) was written at a time when the nation had no standing army. With the largest military budget in the world, far exceeding our closest rivals (China, Russia), you can’t say we’re not well defended. Gun owners are no defense against that same armed force if it should be turned against its own population. On the other hand, if there were a civil war between right wingnuts and left wingnuts (and it sounds like it in these forums sometimes), then I’d have to bet on the right wingnuts as being better armed…
A question is whether we can have a civil society that isn’t so heavily armed. Sure we can. Many other nations already do. “An armed society is a polite society” is utter BS. An armed society is one based on fear and intimidation. It is not civilization.
Bluejayz about 14 years ago
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Why is it that “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms” is all that is emphasized in any discussion about the 2nd Amendment? Why has “…well regulated” been ignored or forgotten?
If I need a license to ‘well regulate’ (control) my car and my dog, why shouldn’t all the gun owners be required to license their guns? Gun control is established right there in the Constitution!
lonecat about 14 years ago
Dear Bluejayz – I haven’t seen you here much. Welcome. As you have certainly noticed, this list specializes in calm, reasoned discussion with respect for all posters. We may disagree, but we appreciate and welcome a variety of viewpoints stated in a mature and thoughtful manner. Post are also characterized b good spelling, proper punctuation, and correct grammar.
comYics about 14 years ago
Guns were intended for every American to have to protect this country incase it was attacked and needed help from the people. It is written in the second amendment that every American Citizen has the right to protect themselves and the land.
That is what the second amendment is about, and yes those messing with it are anti American and not smart enough to figure it out that America is already being invaded.
charliekane about 14 years ago
Paranoia great destroya!
OmqR-IV.0 about 14 years ago
^ Thanks for the clarification! The SA version in the old days also had “refresher camps” every year as a reservist for about 10 years after white males did their initial 2 year stint but still a far cry from what you describe about the Swiss. I also thought I’d look up whether or not the Swiss army actually carry the Schweizer Offiziersmesser (erm, Swiss Army knife to you & me). Didya know ”During the late 1880s, the Swiss Army decided to purchase a new folding pocket knife for their soldiers. …suitable to help the army in opening canned food and disassembling the Schmidt-Rubin model 1889 service rifle.”
Latest model issued: ”Soldatenmesser 08 (Soldier Knife 08) for the Swiss army since December 2008” During the first basic training sessions of 2009 the new Soldier Knives were issued to Swiss troops Funky!
And they still do make cuckoo clocks! And they bank, a lot.
comYics about 14 years ago
What do you think was happening when these Amendments were written? It is about the protection of each American and the right to defend one’s self.
As far as the “Paranoia” cowardly comment. Unfortunately the “destroyer” uses little details to corrupt massive portions. It is basic logic and reason and discipline that prevents it.
An example is the excessive confusion attributed to that amendment. Through a uncondemning view it is basic and intended to protect it’s people. Lie’s cause confusion. When it was written, it was not confusing because it was understood that it was intended for a useful way of protecting North America. Denying rights of Americans to bear arms, then claiming to be apart of the constitution is exactly how come your confused about it. Your 2 faced and afraid to admit it.
OmqR-IV.0 about 14 years ago
^4 Cuckoo clocks aint Swiss? Oh nooooo! And scratch Swiss cheese, too :( Well, at least I can still count on the Vatican guard being Swiss.
lonecat about 14 years ago
omQ R – the argument that Swiss cheese is not Swiss is full of holes. As for the clocks, that kind of foolishness I just don’t have time for.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 14 years ago
^^ ROFLMAO!!!
Sooky Rottweiler says; You’re funny, for a cat!
lonecat about 14 years ago
^Who’s generally funnier -dogs or cats? I think cats are never intentionally funny, but dogs have a sense of humor. At least my poodle does – she gets a big grin when something strikes her as funny.